Kids: you gotta love 'em!

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

So this is basically the "Let's Try to Convert Ki and Lis Into Child Lovers!" thread?

Come on, just leave them alone. They may seem a bit extreme in their views towards parenthood, but believe me, it's very easy to become jaded when you have to put with horrible children and terrible parents every day. Maybe one day they'll change their minds, maybe not, but it sure as hell isn't going to be a half-assed thread that convinces them to start loving those little rascals.

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

Why did you quote my post when you said that? It just seems odd that it's directed towards me, when I was defending you and Ki.

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You're kidding yourself if you think I'm interested in discussing whether it's okay to say the things they said with you in PM

Meanwhile I don't care whether you think what I said was justified, I really honestly could not give less of a fuck

YorkeDaddy, I want you to reread your post and really let it sink in. After acting like you were heroically trying to convince Lis that she was entertaining a false lifestyle, you just now admitted that you "could not give any less of a fuck" about our points of view, and about actually talking about the issue. So, if you're not interested in talking about the issue, what the fuck is the point of you even being here, other than to throw around a few insults and refuse to actually have a civil discussion?

YorkeDaddy · 05-04-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

YorkeDaddy, I want you to reread your post and really let it sink in. After acting like you were heroically trying to convince Lis that she was entertaining a false lifestyle, you just now admitted that you "could not give any less of a fuck" about our points of view, and about actually talking about the issue. So, if you're not interested in talking about the issue, what the fuck is the point of you even being here, other than to throw around a few insults and refuse to actually have a civil discussion?

There's nothing TO sink in because this is so engrained into who I am as a person that it's unswayable. I love my little brother more than anything and hearing people talk about children like they shouldn't even be had makes me physically sick. I will not apologize for calling it disgusting. Like I've said you can not want children all you want but going that far is beyond outrageous. Just like basically everyone else on this forum I'm making my stance known and nothing will change that, you're apparently okay with THEM being that firm but not me. You're not being very objective, you're just fighting for the sake of fighting.

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

There's nothing TO sink in because this is so engrained into who I am as a person that it's unswayable. I love my little brother more than anything and hearing people talk about children like they shouldn't even be had makes me physically sick. I will not apologize for calling it disgusting. Like I've said you can not want children all you want but going that far is beyond outrageous. Just like basically everyone else on this forum I'm making my stance known and nothing will change that, you're apparently okay with THEM being that firm but not me. You're not being very objective, you're just fighting for the sake of fighting.

But the difference is, you don't see them continually taking personal potshots at you. They said one hateful thing, and later expressed that it was wrong of them, while you have thrown multiple insults at them and "refuse to apologize". And you've repeatedly expressed that you will never even try to understand their point of view, while Lis is in this thread, right now, justifying what she said, and she's more than willing to talk to you if you'll give her a chance. Right now, she's being much more courteous than you are; learn from her example.

Seriously, why are you still talking to me? Lis is right over there. If you have something to say to her, go for it.

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. I like people just as flawed as they are, and eugenics is a very slippery slope. How do we decide what traits should be "gotten rid of"? How long until we start phasing out the benign traits that make us unique? Could we resist the temptation to start manufacturing humans to be as efficient and passionless as possible? Reminds me of "Brave New World". I'd rather have humans without any genetic manipulation, than have people with too much.

I'm all about just ending human suffering as much as possible. Unfortunately we can't forever destroy things like cancer or sexually transmitted diseases or other terminal illnesses sometimes brought on by lifestyle choices or tricky genetic problems, but I'm completely certain that no child with mental retardation wants to be retarded. Most of the time they're completely aware that something's not quite right but they can't explain why people are such assholes toward them.

And before everyone gets on my case about that, before I resolved that I wanted to pursue an education in psychiatric medicine, I wanted to be a mentor/teacher for special needs children. Before I realized that I just don't have the time or patience for children at all.

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Originally Posted by dreadnaught

Haha. I'd actually be flattered by that, even coming from a small child. See ya'll, we can appreciate kids, we just don't want to be burdened with one.

Also, I've kind of accepted the fact that I'm likely going to die alone with 10+ cats as my only kinship. Look for me on future episodes of animal hoarders: cat lady edition.

My cat is amazing.

He eats by himself, poops in a box, minds his own business most of the time, understands a plethora of words and he's not even a year old yet. He's absolutely self-reliant in so many ways (not that it's a hassle to refill his food and water and cuddle him because he's so goddamn adorable and sweet) and his existence as my child is incredibly inexpensive.

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Yeah, sorry Lil, but you seriously need to adjust your attitude toward mental handicaps. It's strange you make the case against obvious mental disabilities and don't really touch the ones that are harder to identify. What about depression, alcoholism, OCD? You think people who suffer from those aliments should be erased?

Yes, absolutely.

Why the fuck do you think I'm not having kids??

We don't need another paranoid, depressive alcoholic with borderline personality disorder and anorexia (I'm currently in recovery) in this world. Nobody wants that shit. I certainly never asked to be fucked up, but (surprise surprise) my entire ancestry is littered with mentally ill people.

YorkeDaddy · 05-04-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

But the difference is, you don't see them continually taking personal potshots at you. They said one hateful thing, and later expressed that it was wrong of them, while you have thrown multiple insults at them and "refuse to apologize". And you've repeatedly expressed that you will never even try to understand their point of view, while Lis is in this thread, right now, justifying what she said, and she's more than willing to talk to you if you'll give her a chance. Right now, she's being much more courteous than you are; learn from her example.

Seriously, why are you still talking to me? Lis is right over there. If you have something to say to her, go for it.

I'm not taking potshots at anybody. I don't care if my best friend in the world says what they said, I'm going to make it known that I think such a view is nauseating. It's perhaps the worst thing I've ever heard out of otherwise respectable people

idk what else you want me to say. I absolutely will not talk to them about it, in fact even passively skimming over their comments is ruining my mood and my entire day. YOU might be this perfect person who's capable of talking or reasoning with someone who goes sooooooo incredibly far against what you love and represent but I am not that person and I am not afraid to admit it

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 05-05-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

this is kind of amusing to me tbh

i mean having kids is objectively the only reason you exist

obviously i'm not ridiculing you for not wanting them, as i don't really particularly want them either

but to criticize the logic of people having kids... its sort of like calling out a computer program for performing the one specific function it was designed to perform