Kids: you gotta love 'em!

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I don't think the childfree life is extreme or anything new to society. Any reason a breeder might have as to why it's necessary for literally every human to procreate can easily be debunked by logic. I've gotten a lot of dirty looks for saying that I'm childfree, never had a want/need to procreate, and would like to be sterilized in the future to ensure my forever-freedom from children, but I've also met a ton of amazing people (including parents who don't act like sanctimommies, foaming out their mouths about their child every 5 seconds) who don't act like total dicks about the whole thing.

take care of the children who are already alive and in need (e.g.; children who were born to drug addicts and other people incapable of handling their reproductive organs in a responsible fashion) if you care so damned much about them - it makes more sense than making more, which is just a thinly veiled byproduct of your ego.

Why did you quote my post when you said that? It just seems odd that it's directed towards me, when I was defending you and Ki.

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

You're kidding yourself if you think I'm interested in discussing whether it's okay to say the things they said with you in PM

Meanwhile I don't care whether you think what I said was justified, I really honestly could not give less of a fuck

YorkeDaddy, I want you to reread your post and really let it sink in. After acting like you were heroically trying to convince Lis that she was entertaining a false lifestyle, you just now admitted that you "could not give any less of a fuck" about our points of view, and about actually talking about the issue. So, if you're not interested in talking about the issue, what the fuck is the point of you even being here, other than to throw around a few insults and refuse to actually have a civil discussion?

DwnWthVwls · 05-04-2015, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I have a solid theory that with reasonable measures to control breeding and limit the act to those with suitable genetics, we could remove the problem of developmental/learning disabilities forever and save a future generation from having to suffer with everything that comes with being born with a sickness that's essentially entirely due to poor genetics.

Nope. Take a genetics class.

It would take a lot more than selective breeding for that to ever happen.

simplephysics · 05-04-2015, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I've seen a ton of little shits but I've also seen a bunch of kids that are just too much, too damn funny.

There was a little girl (couldn't have been older than 4 or 5) that was so astounded upon meeting me (I've got hair that's nearly touching my knees and people go mad over it) that she had to tell her mother: "Mommy, this lady is a mermaid!"

I died all over the place, it was so precious.

Not precious enough for me to ever need something so messy and prone to violent outbursts in my life, but precious.

My cat is my baby, and that will always be.

Haha. I'd actually be flattered by that, even coming from a small child. See ya'll, we can appreciate kids, we just don't want to be burdened with one.

Also, I've kind of accepted the fact that I'm likely going to die alone with 10+ cats as my only kinship. Look for me on future episodes of animal hoarders: cat lady edition.

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I have a solid theory that with reasonable measures to control breeding and limit the act to those with suitable genetics, we could remove the problem of developmental/learning disabilities forever and save a future generation from having to suffer with everything that comes with being born with a sickness that's essentially entirely due to poor genetics.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. I like people just as flawed as they are, and eugenics is a very slippery slope. How do we decide what traits should be "gotten rid of"? How long until we start phasing out the benign traits that make us unique? Could we resist the temptation to start manufacturing humans to be as efficient and passionless as possible? Reminds me of "Brave New World". I'd rather have humans without any genetic manipulation, than have people with too much.

YorkeDaddy · 05-04-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

YorkeDaddy, I want you to reread your post and really let it sink in. After acting like you were heroically trying to convince Lis that she was entertaining a false lifestyle, you just now admitted that you "could not give any less of a fuck" about our points of view, and about actually talking about the issue. So, if you're not interested in talking about the issue, what the fuck is the point of you even being here, other than to throw around a few insults and refuse to actually have a civil discussion?

There's nothing TO sink in because this is so engrained into who I am as a person that it's unswayable. I love my little brother more than anything and hearing people talk about children like they shouldn't even be had makes me physically sick. I will not apologize for calling it disgusting. Like I've said you can not want children all you want but going that far is beyond outrageous. Just like basically everyone else on this forum I'm making my stance known and nothing will change that, you're apparently okay with THEM being that firm but not me. You're not being very objective, you're just fighting for the sake of fighting.

simplephysics · 05-04-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Nope. Take a genetics class.

It would take a lot more than selective breeding for that to ever happen.

Yeah, sorry Lil, but you seriously need to adjust your attitude toward mental handicaps. It's strange you make the case against obvious mental disabilities and don't really touch the ones that are harder to identify. What about depression, alcoholism, OCD? You think people who suffer from those aliments should be erased?

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

There's nothing TO sink in because this is so engrained into who I am as a person that it's unswayable. I love my little brother more than anything and hearing people talk about children like they shouldn't even be had makes me physically sick. I will not apologize for calling it disgusting. Like I've said you can not want children all you want but going that far is beyond outrageous. Just like basically everyone else on this forum I'm making my stance known and nothing will change that, you're apparently okay with THEM being that firm but not me. You're not being very objective, you're just fighting for the sake of fighting.

But the difference is, you don't see them continually taking personal potshots at you. They said one hateful thing, and later expressed that it was wrong of them, while you have thrown multiple insults at them and "refuse to apologize". And you've repeatedly expressed that you will never even try to understand their point of view, while Lis is in this thread, right now, justifying what she said, and she's more than willing to talk to you if you'll give her a chance. Right now, she's being much more courteous than you are; learn from her example.

Seriously, why are you still talking to me? Lis is right over there. If you have something to say to her, go for it.

Oriphiel · 05-04-2015, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadnaught

Yeah, sorry Lil, but you seriously need to adjust your attitude toward mental handicaps. It's strange you make the case against obvious mental disabilities and don't really touch the ones that are harder to identify. What about depression, alcoholism, OCD? You think people who suffer from those aliments should be erased?

I agree. I can imagine a world where the parents get to program their child's tendency towards religious beliefs, political affiliations, habits, etc., and it makes me shudder. The possible benefits of going gown that road are far outweighed by all of the horrible things that could happen when people have too much control over the futures of others.

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. I like people just as flawed as they are, and eugenics is a very slippery slope. How do we decide what traits should be "gotten rid of"? How long until we start phasing out the benign traits that make us unique? Could we resist the temptation to start manufacturing humans to be as efficient and passionless as possible? Reminds me of "Brave New World". I'd rather have humans without any genetic manipulation, than have people with too much.

I'm all about just ending human suffering as much as possible. Unfortunately we can't forever destroy things like cancer or sexually transmitted diseases or other terminal illnesses sometimes brought on by lifestyle choices or tricky genetic problems, but I'm completely certain that no child with mental retardation wants to be retarded. Most of the time they're completely aware that something's not quite right but they can't explain why people are such assholes toward them.

And before everyone gets on my case about that, before I resolved that I wanted to pursue an education in psychiatric medicine, I wanted to be a mentor/teacher for special needs children. Before I realized that I just don't have the time or patience for children at all.

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Originally Posted by dreadnaught

Haha. I'd actually be flattered by that, even coming from a small child. See ya'll, we can appreciate kids, we just don't want to be burdened with one.

Also, I've kind of accepted the fact that I'm likely going to die alone with 10+ cats as my only kinship. Look for me on future episodes of animal hoarders: cat lady edition.

My cat is amazing.

He eats by himself, poops in a box, minds his own business most of the time, understands a plethora of words and he's not even a year old yet. He's absolutely self-reliant in so many ways (not that it's a hassle to refill his food and water and cuddle him because he's so goddamn adorable and sweet) and his existence as my child is incredibly inexpensive.

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Originally Posted by dreadnaught

Yeah, sorry Lil, but you seriously need to adjust your attitude toward mental handicaps. It's strange you make the case against obvious mental disabilities and don't really touch the ones that are harder to identify. What about depression, alcoholism, OCD? You think people who suffer from those aliments should be erased?

Yes, absolutely.

Why the fuck do you think I'm not having kids??

We don't need another paranoid, depressive alcoholic with borderline personality disorder and anorexia (I'm currently in recovery) in this world. Nobody wants that shit. I certainly never asked to be fucked up, but (surprise surprise) my entire ancestry is littered with mentally ill people.

ladyislingering · 05-04-2015, 07:48 PM

you guys, honestly I'm a little drunk right now and I don't have the patience to touch on all bases, to respond to everyone in a coherent fashion and I apologize for that.

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