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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1577960)

So you're a fan of slavery too?

nah... i was just talking **** tbh, i don't rejoice in lincoln's death. i think it's sad he was killed but it was a long ass time ago so i guess it's kind of hard to get emotional over it.

but yea i'm sure he pissed a lot of people off.

plus technically it was part of the agreement in forming a federal body that states were supposed to be able to secede, yet when the south went to do just that the north was just like "uhhhhh nah, not gonna let you do that, lol."

plus lincoln was a racist just like most people living in his time, and had no intentions to get rid of slavery, the north went to war primarily to keep the country together rather than to free the slaves

but mostly i just think that the way my cousin killed him was gangster as ****. he did it in a crowded theater packed with soldiers. he leaped down to the stage and said some latin **** about tyrants. all the armed soldiers in the audience thought it was just part of the show. then he ran off before anyone had knew what happened. he went outside, punched some boy who was on a horse, stole that **** and rode off. then they sent the biggest manhunt in the nation's history after him. by far the g.o.a.t. of president killers imo.

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1578209)

But did he have a magic bullet? Assassin wizard ftw.

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1578209)

but mostly i just think that the way my cousin killed him was gangster as ****.

Snuck up behind him and put a bullet into his brain. Totally gangster. Booth was a dick who was pissed off that slavery was being abolished. Poster boy for middle 1800s racist, elitist white trash. His dying words as he laid burned and paralyzed were perfect. "Useless, useless."

Too bad he couldn't have been a part of this photo.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...nginglarge.jpg

Got some cred on Lincoln being a racist? I think you're full of BS.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1578224)

Snuck up behind him and put a bullet into his brain. Totally gangster.

Lincoln was sitting facing the edge of a balcony. What was Booth gonna do? Fly up from the audience and pop him one between the eyes? God gave him lemons so he shot a lemon in the back of the head.

I don't know if he was full on racist but he wasn't really all about freeing the slaves. His central concern was keeping the union together no matter what.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1578228)

Fly up from the audience and pop him one between the eyes?

Now THAT would have been gangster.

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Originally Posted by Nameless (Post 1578229)

I don't know if he was full on racist but he wasn't really all about freeing the slaves. His central concern was keeping the union together no matter what.

He was fully aware that abolishing slavery would be the result of his policies. He gets a total pass in my book for that. Especially considering the times.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1578224)

yea, walked up to the ****in president of the united states, in a crowded theater full of soldiers and shot him. there was even a soldier with lincoln who jumped up afterward to attack booth and he slashed him with a knife as well. talk all the **** you want, that's a ballsy assassination if i ever saw one.

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Lincoln may be remembered as the Great Emancipator, but his views on slavery and race were not as simple as his contemporary reputation. To be sure, as Fredrickson makes clear, he was always adamant in his opposition to slavery: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.” Yet he was not an abolitionist. Far from it. As much as he hated slavery, he revered the Union, the Constitution and the law more. He would stand on principle in opposing the extension of slavery into the territories (even to the point of arguing against Stephen Douglas’s democratic solution of letting the people in the territories settle the question for themselves). But he would do nothing to undermine the Peculiar Institution where it was already legal, hoping instead that it would die a natural death some time in the future. This is a stand that will not sit well with those modern readers who prefer luxuriating in the purity of their ideals (especially if those ideals don’t cost them anything) rather than trying to understand the difficult compromises a pragmatic politician is forced to make. But in Lincoln’s day a refusal to compromise led to the terrorism of John Brown — just as in our own time it leads to other kinds of fanaticism.

More problematic were Lincoln’s views on race. He held opinions not very different from those of the majority of his racist countrymen. Even if slavery was wrong, “there is a physical difference between the white and black races that will for ever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality.” His solution was a form of ethnic cleansing: shipping blacks off to Liberia, or Haiti, or Central America — anywhere as long as it wasn’t the United States.

Lincoln’s views may have started to change once he saw how bravely black troops fought for the Union cause, but even at the time of his death, he was willing to leave the fate of emancipated slaves in the hands of bigoted state legislators. “Whether Lincoln ever went beyond being an anti-slavery white supremacist,” Fredrickson writes, “is a question that is difficult to resolve.”

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...n-racist/?_r=0

I'd like to slap Oprah, that sounds like a good time. Slap Oprah for charity.