Looking for your best and worst Star Trek episodes

music_collector · 08-16-2022, 11:00 AM

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The first one was ok, the second was just The Wrath of Khan rewritten

Ok, I'm not the only one who thinks that way. They were entertaining, I'll give them that.

Trollheart · 08-16-2022, 11:48 AM

No, it's not an opinion. It literally was.

Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan director Nicholas Meyer (from which the film borrows and remakes some scenes), revealed in 2018 that he had been disappointed with the film. He was quoted as saying: "In my sort of artistic worldview, if you're going to do an homage, you have to add something. You have to put another layer on it, and they didn't. Just by putting the same words in different characters' mouths didn't add up to anything, and if you have someone dying in one scene and sort of being resurrected immediately after, there's no real drama going on. It just becomes a gimmick or gimmicky, and that's what I found it to be, ultimately."

music_collector · 08-16-2022, 12:27 PM

He couldn't say it if it wasn't true.

I think the biggest mistake was trying to copy Wrath of Khan in the first place. Trekkies typically agree that it's the best movie of the franchise. Why even attempt to recreate it?

Trollheart · 08-16-2022, 02:09 PM

Yeah, it just smacks of cashing in on the big success the franchise had. Besides, Khan's story runs from being exiled in the SS Botany Bay and floating in space in suspended animation to being revived by Kirk and the crew in "Space Seed", then trying to take over the Enterprise and being exiled on Ceti Alpha V, where Chekov finds him in Wrath of Khan, to Khan then battling Kirk in the Reliant and finally being killed when the Genesis Device explodes. Where, in all of that, is there room for "alternative adventures" for Khan?

music_collector · 08-16-2022, 02:11 PM

I hadn't put the thought into it, but it's true. Khan was a busy man.

It didn't feel right to see Kirk in the radiation chamber instead of Spock. I guess the director had to do that, otherwise the original writer would have sued for plagiarism.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea · 08-18-2022, 05:15 PM

The Wrath of Khan was just great. Ricardo Montalban said it was one of his favorite roles he played.

music_collector · 08-18-2022, 06:02 PM

No kidding. I felt he put more hate into the role, i.e hatred for Kirk, than Benny. Benny wasn't a bad Khan. It's just that the bar was set so high.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-20-2022, 06:09 PM

Ok, "The Paradise Syndrome" had serious coloniser ick.

I am a huge fan, particularly of the original series!

Does anyone else not like the ''Q'' episodes on Next Generation?

I'll post my favourite episodes later.

Trollheart · 08-20-2022, 08:50 PM

Q is top tier Trek, you leave him alone.

Most hated Trek character: Wesley or Neelix?

Carpe Mortem · 08-20-2022, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Q is top tier Trek, you leave him alone.

Most hated Trek character: Wesley or Neelix?

Wesley all day. At least Neelix had a culture.

08-16-2022, 11:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	No, it's not an opinion. It literally was. Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan director Nicholas Meyer (from which the film borrows and remakes some scenes), revealed in 2018 that he had been disappointed with the film. He was quoted as saying: "In my sort of artistic worldview, if you're going to do an homage, you have to add something. You have to put another layer on it, and they didn't. Just by putting the same words in different characters' mouths didn't add up to anything, and if you have someone dying in one scene and sort of being resurrected immediately after, there's no real drama going on. It just becomes a gimmick or gimmicky, and that's what I found it to be, ultimately." __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-16-2022, 02:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Yeah, it just smacks of cashing in on the big success the franchise had. Besides, Khan's story runs from being exiled in the SS Botany Bay and floating in space in suspended animation to being revived by Kirk and the crew in "Space Seed", then trying to take over the Enterprise and being exiled on Ceti Alpha V, where Chekov finds him in Wrath of Khan, to Khan then battling Kirk in the Reliant and finally being killed when the Genesis Device explodes. Where, in all of that, is there room for "alternative adventures" for Khan? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-18-2022, 05:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
DriveYourCarDownToTheSea AllTheWhileYouChargeAFee Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,188	The Wrath of Khan was just great. Ricardo Montalban said it was one of his favorite roles he played. __________________ Stop and find a pretty shell for her Beach Boys vs Beatles comparisons begin here

08-20-2022, 06:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,775	Ok, "The Paradise Syndrome" had serious coloniser ick. I am a huge fan, particularly of the original series! Does anyone else not like the ''Q'' episodes on Next Generation? I'll post my favourite episodes later. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

08-20-2022, 08:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Q is top tier Trek, you leave him alone. Most hated Trek character: Wesley or Neelix? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

08-16-2022, 12:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	He couldn't say it if it wasn't true. I think the biggest mistake was trying to copy Wrath of Khan in the first place. Trekkies typically agree that it's the best movie of the franchise. Why even attempt to recreate it?

08-16-2022, 02:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	I hadn't put the thought into it, but it's true. Khan was a busy man. It didn't feel right to see Kirk in the radiation chamber instead of Spock. I guess the director had to do that, otherwise the original writer would have sued for plagiarism.

08-18-2022, 06:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
music_collector Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Canada Posts: 744	No kidding. I felt he put more hate into the role, i.e hatred for Kirk, than Benny. Benny wasn't a bad Khan. It's just that the bar was set so high.