A reason why people remain religious

Guybrush · 08-16-2014, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MattMVS7

When it comes to something such as you thinking that you are some alien from another planet, then that would obviously be false. But when it comes to things such as personal opinions about yourself and such, then it would be a scientific fact that whatever personal opinion you have about yourself that cannot be scientifically proven false, then that personal opinion holds true for you and makes you that person.

Well, let's say you believe yourself to be a great chess player. You could set up an experiment in which you play chess against a thousand opponents and see how you do. Perhaps your score will be ****. And then you could make the other players rank you with some score, and they will confirm that you're ****. And the whole world could basically tell you that you're **** at chess. Your statistical analysis might tell you that the probability of you sucking at chess is more than 99.9999%.

Of course you could live in a comfortable delusion believing that you're still a great chess player, but I'm not sure I'd call it a scientific fact. It might be a fact that you're delusional.

DwnWthVwls · 08-16-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MattMVS7

Also, it is a scientific fact that who you are is your brain and all of your thoughts and emotions. Therefore, if you have the thoughts and feelings that you are all great and special, then it is a scientific fact that this makes you all great and special.

I don't disagree (entirely, it's still more opinion than fact but I can understand where you are coming from), I use a different word: Confidence. I think your are trying to make something convoluted and philosophical out of something that just isn't.

You are all great and special but only to you, so by definition/fact of what the other words mean you are wrong.

DwnWthVwls · 08-16-2014, 02:32 PM

Just to be a contradictory wiseass.

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As far as "facts" are concerned, scientists will caution you that even though they will appear to be using the term in the same way as everyone else, there are background assumptions which are crucial. When most people refer to a "fact," the are talking about something which is definitely, absolutely and unquestionably true. For scientists, a fact is something which is assumed to be true, at least for the purposes of whatever they are doing at the moment, but which might be refuted at some point.

There are no facts in science.

#batlordfail

The Batlord · 08-16-2014, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Just to be a contradictory wiseass.

There are no facts in science.

#batlordfail

Not that can be proven to the same degree as a mathematical theorem, but I chose not to be a pedantic ass. Good job.

RoxyRollah · 08-16-2014, 04:54 PM

Look who is all superior n ****^

fgt_edd · 08-16-2014, 05:01 PM

people stay religious because when times get tough, they need someone/something they can rely on..its "his" will and we have no power over it, i guess it makes life easier to some religious people, knowing that theres something that can bend their life in a good way as well as bad..thats also why people tend to love and cherish god when life gets tough.. they "find" god then..

just my pov

Guybrush · 08-16-2014, 05:11 PM

There are tons of reasons to remain religious. Way too many to summarize with a simple paragraph in a forum post. Your beliefs are tied up with your very identity, especially if they're beliefs passed down to you from your family at a young age. You have external reasons to remain religious and you have your own internal, personal reasons. And for every religious person, there' a multitude of reasons in each of those categories, from philosophical to social to psychological to whatever.

djchameleon · 08-16-2014, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

There are tons of reasons to remain religious. Way too many to summarize with a simple paragraph in a forum post. Your beliefs are tied up with your very identity, especially if they're beliefs passed down to you from your family at a young age. You have external reasons to remain religious and you have your own internal, personal reasons. And for every religious person, there' a multitude of reasons in each of those categories, from philosophical to social to psychological to whatever.

I feel like whenever that happens most people tend to shy away from religion as they grow older. Of course there are people that end up just going along with it too.

HellCell · 08-16-2014, 05:47 PM

To comment on your wording. It's very fluffy. So I'm going to resummarize again for reference. Religious people have a false sense of entitlement (To a deity and afterlife) but believe firmly so from arrogance.
This is just a generalization that doesn't even sound like it applies to a small percentage of people.

RoxyRollah · 08-16-2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HellCell

To comment on your wording. It's very fluffy. So I'm going to resummarize again for reference. Religious people have a false sense of entitlement (To a deity and afterlife) but believe firmly so from arrogance.
This is just a generalization that doesn't even sound like it applies to a small percentage of people.

This is a garbage statement. I am not point fingers at you Hellcell btw.

Some people noo matter what they believe are just arrogant pricks.

I don't think it applies to a large percent of people who are religious. They believe what they believe because it works for them. Why else would you do something if it didn't work for you. And what does it really matter what someone else believes, what I want to understand Matt is why the hell you are up in other folks kool -aid and don't know their particular flavor? You generalize and make broad statements and have no facts to back them up, and yet you come across just as arrogant if not more so then the people who knock on my door and bother me on a Tuesday afternoon because they feel like what they are doing is right. This is America, bro (at least I think you are in the USA, anyway I am American and I comment on the things that happen here.) You can believe what you want to, and it's beautiful thing. And nobody has the right to trash another person over what it is they believe in their heart of hearts. And if their religion is what gets them through the day and helps the to actually be a better person, by being kind to others etc then more power too them. You sound like someone that has a massive chip on their shoulder toward people who have something in their lives, no matter how inane , nonsensical, or improbable it is. If you were truly confidant about your choices in your life you wouldn't need to make thread after thread on this in hopes people will respond to your long winded craziness. You would use the religion thread. But to quote myself, "IMO I DON'T KNOW JACK **** SO DON'T LISTEN TO ME"....

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fgt_edd Groupie Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bathroom Posts: 9	people stay religious because when times get tough, they need someone/something they can rely on..its "his" will and we have no power over it, i guess it makes life easier to some religious people, knowing that theres something that can bend their life in a good way as well as bad..thats also why people tend to love and cherish god when life gets tough.. they "find" god then.. just my pov __________________

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	There are tons of reasons to remain religious. Way too many to summarize with a simple paragraph in a forum post. Your beliefs are tied up with your very identity, especially if they're beliefs passed down to you from your family at a young age. You have external reasons to remain religious and you have your own internal, personal reasons. And for every religious person, there' a multitude of reasons in each of those categories, from philosophical to social to psychological to whatever. __________________ Something Completely Different

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HellCell Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 272	To comment on your wording. It's very fluffy. So I'm going to resummarize again for reference. Religious people have a false sense of entitlement (To a deity and afterlife) but believe firmly so from arrogance. This is just a generalization that doesn't even sound like it applies to a small percentage of people. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/deannewb