Mr. Charlie

To believe in a fact we first have to know a fact is indeed fact. But to know whether a fact is a fact we have to experience it using something other than our own nervous system. And that's impossible.

Thus all knowledge, all facts, are nowt but subjective experiences. All we can ever do is explain how things seem to us because any description of something that fails to include the instrument used to take the measurement is incomplete. Everything is a transaction, an interaction.

Our senses, our brains, they filter and colour information, and yes it's a cliche, but we all create the reality we experience. Little wonder people believe in Gods, and I say let them, we all put our faith in illusions because reality is an illusion.

GuD

I have a feeling this argument is not gonna go anywhere but whatever. You're doing your usual shindig where you just bury a very inaccurate point under a bunch of very vague and 'zen' language.

No, we don't need to experience something without the use of our nervous system to know it's a fact. Water will evaporate when heated to a certain temperature whether a person's nervous system is involved or not. We may have invented the language to describe the phenomena but it would occur even if human beings or any other living creatures never existed to witness and describe the event.

If people who blindly believed in things were harmless I wouldn't be bothered by their choosing to do so. But in many ways that's not the case, religion has caused more damage than it's repaired and a lot of what I've seen of it is corrosive to a person's understanding of reality and their ability to empathize with people who don't share their "beliefs". I hope our species will continue to evolve and that pack-like mentality dwindles into nothingness before something kills us all so one day we'll live in a world were people aren't afraid of anything they wouldn't find in a mirror. Of that too I have doubts.

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I spit bullets in my feet
Every time I speak
So I write instead
And still people want me dead
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