Eugenics and the 21st Century

Mr. Charlie · 11-18-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

Someone literally said that to you? Jesus. With me it was something I discovered and realized myself - I could never burden another human life with the misery that my brain is infected with. My apologies, people are so insensitive sometimes.

But the thought of building a perfect world begs another question: what would "perfect" look like?

Depends on one's definition of perfect I guess.

A world of pure Aryans like Hitler's vision? A world ruled by philosopher kings, chosen for their intelligence, like Plato envisioned in his Republic? A world preoccupied with and driven, by law, towards an abstract idea of reaching greatness as advovated by Nietzsche?

I think the world is already perfect. And the less we interfere with and impose our abstract ideas on it, the easier that perfection is to appreciate.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 11-18-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

Depends on one's definition of perfect I guess.

A world of pure Aryans like Hitler's vision? A world ruled by philosopher kings, chosen for their intelligence, like Plato envisioned in his Republic? A world preoccupied with and driven, by law, towards an abstract idea of reaching greatness as advovated by Nietzsche?

I think the world is already perfect. And the less we interfere with and impose our abstract ideas on it, the easier that perfection is to appreciate.

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Originally Posted by anticipation

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Mr. Charlie · 11-18-2013, 02:30 PM

Haha.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 11-18-2013, 02:34 PM

i dont think micro managin is a great idea but if we could eliminate births with incurable diseases then of course we should. i actually think some ppl would be better off dyin/not bein born than bein born with some of the disorders or illnesses out there. ive seen ppl with zero quality of life in their 40s and never knowin any other way. if tehcnology could allow us to 100% wipe stuff like that out then we should.

more than that im not real comfortable with

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 11-18-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

Haha.

It really was much more succinct than I could have put it but I will anyway: I think that's absolute bull****, how can the world be perfect when there's the AIDS epidemic, widespread world hunger, massive suicide rates as well as illiteracy rates and "the land of the free" is also the land with one of the bottom tier in actual life satisfaction

The world isn't perfect because human beings aren't perfect. But if you mean mother nature? yeah **** yeah I'll get down w/ that

Mr. Charlie · 11-18-2013, 03:05 PM

So a perfect world is a world free from all pain and suffering?

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 11-18-2013, 03:06 PM

Ideally, yeah but that's just totally unfeasible and unrealistic. It would **** up balance.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 11-18-2013, 05:00 PM

kinda goin back to the original post but i realize its way too much if a slippery slope to decide who reproduces and who doesnt. but jesus, the wrong ppl are all havin kids. all the high school dropouts and ppl who never got a higher education are the ones havin kids early. like the 20 yr olds who have a lifetime of workin in fast food with several kids. had a coworker like that when i stocked shelves overnight for a few months. i was askin about future plans and she had this blank look on her face. i could tell this was her future plans and she already had a kid wih a guy in jail. sure enough, 6 months after leavin i see on facebook shes pregnant again lol. its all the losers of society who are havin kids cause they have nothin else in life to look forward to. if only there was some way to discourage them from havin kids.

GuD · 11-18-2013, 05:02 PM

If we could figure out a way to strip out genetic diseases then yes, absolutely. But it's been proven that a person's temperament are more about environment than genetics.

For example, generational poverty isn't caused by genetics. It happens because people who are born will end up being sent to ****ty, unfunded public school districts where teachers don't give a **** and have parents who went to the same or equivalent schools and who are more than likely dysfunctional and uneducated. There's obviously some exceptional people who persevere despite the odds but for the most part you die in the world you were born in.

Cheese · 12-28-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

Imagine a world where people with undesirable traits were not allowed to procreate.

Well that's the entire population wiped out

View Poll Results: Do you believe that some people are absolutely unfit for breeding?
Yes.	9	60.00%
No.	5	33.33%
It depends on the situation. (Explain)	1	6.67%
I don't know. (Speculate.)0	0	0%
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11-18-2013, 02:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mr. Charlie Shoo Thoughts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: These Mountains Posts: 2,308	Haha.

11-18-2013, 02:34 PM	#24 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	i dont think micro managin is a great idea but if we could eliminate births with incurable diseases then of course we should. i actually think some ppl would be better off dyin/not bein born than bein born with some of the disorders or illnesses out there. ive seen ppl with zero quality of life in their 40s and never knowin any other way. if tehcnology could allow us to 100% wipe stuff like that out then we should. more than that im not real comfortable with

11-18-2013, 03:05 PM	#26 (permalink)
Mr. Charlie Shoo Thoughts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: These Mountains Posts: 2,308	So a perfect world is a world free from all pain and suffering?

11-18-2013, 03:06 PM	#27 (permalink)
~~Sansa Stark~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Eyrie, Vale of Arryn, Westeros Posts: 3,234	Ideally, yeah but that's just totally unfeasible and unrealistic. It would **** up balance.

11-18-2013, 05:00 PM	#28 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	kinda goin back to the original post but i realize its way too much if a slippery slope to decide who reproduces and who doesnt. but jesus, the wrong ppl are all havin kids. all the high school dropouts and ppl who never got a higher education are the ones havin kids early. like the 20 yr olds who have a lifetime of workin in fast food with several kids. had a coworker like that when i stocked shelves overnight for a few months. i was askin about future plans and she had this blank look on her face. i could tell this was her future plans and she already had a kid wih a guy in jail. sure enough, 6 months after leavin i see on facebook shes pregnant again lol. its all the losers of society who are havin kids cause they have nothin else in life to look forward to. if only there was some way to discourage them from havin kids.

11-18-2013, 05:02 PM	#29 (permalink)
GuD Dude... What? Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,322	If we could figure out a way to strip out genetic diseases then yes, absolutely. But it's been proven that a person's temperament are more about environment than genetics. For example, generational poverty isn't caused by genetics. It happens because people who are born will end up being sent to **ty, unfunded public school districts where teachers don't give a ** and have parents who went to the same or equivalent schools and who are more than likely dysfunctional and uneducated. There's obviously some exceptional people who persevere despite the odds but for the most part you die in the world you were born in.