Margaret Thatcher Dies.

Trollheart · 04-08-2013, 02:45 PM

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Trollheart, while I'd like to respond to all your post later, I'd like to deal with the underlined now. Territorial waters extend out about ~12 miles. Some nations (lol, North Korea) claim larger territories. The Falkland Islands are over 300 miles from Argentina. Further, even if they did fall into Argentina's territorial waters, they would be legally treated as an enclave.

Secondly, I think it's safe to say she was defending the Falklands from Argentina's aggression, because Argentina did - after all - launch a military campaign to forcefully wrest control of the islands from Great Britain.

Come on, you seriously think she gave a **** about a few thousand people she had never met but happened to be British in name? If she hadn't needed a boost to her popularity after her approval rating fell to nearly 20% in 1980 she wouldn't have thought twice about the Falklands. It was nothing more than a big propaganda coup for her government and for her personally. I can guarantee you, if they had started having the kind of fatalities and casualties that the Iraq war brought about the UK would have wanted her to get out of there as fast as possible. It's only because it was seen as a lightning, decisive victory war that she got away with it. She was hated by miners and lower-class people, having the unmitigated gall to compare the miners' struggle for fair treatment to the Falklands War, and she tacitly supported apartheid while ruthlessly trying to crush Ireland like some Plantagenet. She privatised the hell of of the UK and put more people out of work than I think any postwar leader. And let's not forget the Poll Tax!

Oh yeah: great leader.

Circe · 04-08-2013, 02:54 PM

The Falklands War is a very different beast to something like the Iraq War with a lot of different factors and issues to consider, so a comparison isn't really fair, but the Falkand situation in general is a pretty tiresome subject that I hate talking about.

Trollheart · 04-08-2013, 03:44 PM

Yeah I know they're very different. What I'm saying is that, had the Argentines put up more of a fight, had the "war" become "real" and dragged on for months or years, would the British people have been able to get used to the sight of coffins coming home, and when would they have said this is pointless, what are our sons dying for?

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-08-2013, 04:07 PM

I can't say it makes any impact on my life.

Key · 04-08-2013, 04:38 PM

To be honest, I had no idea who this person was until I saw posts about it on Facebook this morning. Either way, I just don't find it's fair for people to celebrate her death. You can hate the things she did all they want, but I don't like being excited over someone who dies.

PoorOldPo · 04-08-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Come on, you seriously think she gave a **** about a few thousand people she had never met but happened to be British in name? If she hadn't needed a boost to her popularity after her approval rating fell to nearly 20% in 1980 she wouldn't have thought twice about the Falklands. It was nothing more than a big propaganda coup for her government and for her personally. I can guarantee you, if they had started having the kind of fatalities and casualties that the Iraq war brought about the UK would have wanted her to get out of there as fast as possible. It's only because it was seen as a lightning, decisive victory war that she got away with it. She was hated by miners and lower-class people, having the unmitigated gall to compare the miners' struggle for fair treatment to the Falklands War, and she tacitly supported apartheid while ruthlessly trying to crush Ireland like some Plantagenet. She privatised the hell of of the UK and put more people out of work than I think any postwar leader. And let's not forget the Poll Tax!

Oh yeah: great leader.

Did you live through the troubles? What was it like?

Paul Smeenus · 04-08-2013, 04:46 PM

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To be honest, I had no idea who this person was until I saw posts about it on Facebook this morning. Either way, I just don't find it's fair for people to celebrate her death. You can hate the things she did all they want, but I don't like being excited over someone who dies.

I think it's ok to celebrate the death of a despot, tyrant, or otherwise exceedingly evil person, along the lines of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ted Bundy, Bin Laden, et al. I didn't like MT's politics any more than Reagan or George W, but she does not come anywhere close to being comparable to those examples IMO.

Key · 04-08-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

I think it's ok to celebrate the death of a despot, tyrant, or otherwise exceedingly evil person, along the lines of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ted Bundy, Bin Laden, et al. I didn't like MT's politics any more than Reagan or George W, but she does not come anywhere close to being comparable to those examples IMO.

I've heard many people say that she was by far one of the worst, which in that sense I suppose I can see why people are celebrating.

Unknown Soldier · 04-08-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorOldPo

Did you live through the troubles? What was it like?

He was but in Ireland and not here, so it doesn't count.

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I've heard many people say that she was by far one of the worst, which in that sense I suppose I can see why people are celebrating.

She was one of the worst despots ever, in a nice kindly British way and she did everything with a joke and a smile! So no she wasn't like Stalin (grim) and Hitler (deranged)

right-track · 04-08-2013, 05:36 PM

She was rock solid on foreign policies. In that respect the last Great Briton.
Her home policies were a different matter. She crushed the working man and turned them against each other.
I lived through the troubles, the Falklands and Thatcherism and I'll tell you know...things are just as bad now as they were back then, with regards to home policies
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04-08-2013, 03:44 PM	#33 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Yeah I know they're very different. What I'm saying is that, had the Argentines put up more of a fight, had the "war" become "real" and dragged on for months or years, would the British people have been able to get used to the sight of coffins coming home, and when would they have said this is pointless, what are our sons dying for? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Scarlett O'Hara Make it so Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,181	I can't say it makes any impact on my life. __________________ "Elph is truly an enfant terrible of the forum, bless and curse him" - Marie, Queen of Thots

04-08-2013, 02:54 PM	#32 (permalink)
Circe Blunt After Blunt After Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In a French-ass restaurant Posts: 337	The Falklands War is a very different beast to something like the Iraq War with a lot of different factors and issues to consider, so a comparison isn't really fair, but the Falkand situation in general is a pretty tiresome subject that I hate talking about.

04-08-2013, 04:38 PM	#35 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	To be honest, I had no idea who this person was until I saw posts about it on Facebook this morning. Either way, I just don't find it's fair for people to celebrate her death. You can hate the things she did all they want, but I don't like being excited over someone who dies.

04-08-2013, 05:36 PM	#40 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	She was rock solid on foreign policies. In that respect the last Great Briton. Her home policies were a different matter. She crushed the working man and turned them against each other. I lived through the troubles, the Falklands and Thatcherism and I'll tell you know...things are just as bad now as they were back then, with regards to home policies .