Transgender

Black Francis · 04-01-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I'm certain this troll has been on the forum before, he just seems to have reincarnated himself as Ziggy.

Wasn't ziggy a transgender himself?

how accurate is velvet goldmine? lol

Unknown Soldier · 04-01-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

Wasn't ziggy a transgender himself?

how accurate is velvet goldmine? lol

It's certainly strange how the bigoted poster chose such a name.

BTW I think Velvet Goldmine was a great film!

ladyislingering · 04-01-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

My point is this. Say for example you are a woman who wants to be a man. All you've ever experienced is being a woman, so what makes you be a man? They say you don't miss what you've never experienced. So to say ''oh I am trapped in the wrong body'' is utter bull**** because all you've never experienced life in the other body.

I have never seen so much straight-up ignorance and idiocy.

Oh, wait. Yes I have.

Go fuck yourself.

ZiggyStardust · 04-02-2013, 03:10 AM

Wait a minute....

Is it considered trolling to express one's opinions?

I admit that they may be a bit wild and have the possibility to offend, but shouldn't I at least have the right to say them without being silenced? Well, Big Brother's arrived earlier than I thought.
Also, at least I argue ''properly'' - ie I state my idea then support it with points, ''you're wrong and here's why'', rather than the internet argument of ''you're wrong and your mother is a whore and blah blah blah''

(Also Ziggy Stardust was not a transgender. He was the androgynous stage character of David Bowie.)

**Janszoon** · 04-02-2013, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering

I have never seen so much straight-up ignorance and idiocy.

Oh, wait. Yes I have.

Go fuck yourself.

If you want to argue against opinions you don't agree with that's fine, but please leave the name-calling and insults out of it.

Guybrush · 04-02-2013, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

To be perfectly honest, you are not a female unless you have the XX chromosome, nor a you a male unless you have the XY. No amount of hormone replacements, plastic surgery and makeup will hide the fact that you are a man/woman and always will be.

You're also saying (quite correctly) that every man contains the stuff to make a woman.

But something you're not mentioning is that there are all sorts of variations of the regular sex chromosomes. These other non-standard types have far-reaching effects on our bodies and possibly also identities. F.ex you can have a an XXY male (Klinefelter Syndrome) or even XX males. The latter are regarded males (despite having XX chromosomes) because error in meiosis during the creation of their father's sperm caused the crossing over of genetic material from the Y to the X chromosome, finally producing what appears to be a male (with testes), but with possible female traits.

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Symptoms usually include small testes and subjects are invariably sterile. Individuals with this condition sometimes have feminine characteristics, with varying degrees of gynecomastia but with no intra-abdominal Müllerian tissue. According to research at the University of Oklahoma health science centers, most XX males are not stereotypically feminine and are typical boys and men although other reports suggest that facial hair growth is usually poor and libido is diminished, with notable exceptions.

So, long story short, using the XY is male and XX is female argument may not be as clear-cut and simple as you might think.

Answering the topic, no - I do not think I would have sex with a girl with a penis, but I don't see anything wrong with it either. Paul Smeenus, I applaud your open-mindedness and honesty

Edit : Oh, and ladyislingering!

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-03-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

To be perfectly honest, you are not a female unless you have the XX chromosome, nor a you a male unless you have the XY. No amount of hormone replacements, plastic surgery and makeup will hide the fact that you are a man/woman and always will be.

Next you'll say people are not really gay, or they chose it. You have no bloody clue what some people go through. Open your mind a bit man.

ZiggyStardust · 04-04-2013, 01:49 AM

Maybe my statement wasn't clear enough. As we've established the fact that you are not that sex unless you have the chromosomes (I admit I did not know about that condition, but I don't think it occurs a lot), then to say that you ''have become a man'' etc is merely an elaborate form of role playing.

Paul Smeenus · 04-04-2013, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

Maybe my statement wasn't clear enough. As we've established the fact that you are not that sex unless you have the chromosomes (I admit I did not know about that condition, but I don't think it occurs a lot), then to say that you ''have become a man'' etc is merely an elaborate form of role playing.

I'm guessing this conclusion is based on nanoseconds of exhaustive research on the matter

Key · 04-04-2013, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

Maybe my statement wasn't clear enough. As we've established the fact that you are not that sex unless you have the chromosomes (I admit I did not know about that condition, but I don't think it occurs a lot), then to say that you ''have become a man'' etc is merely an elaborate form of role playing.

You never responded to me. I'm a man who doesn't like to be noticed as a man. What's you verdict on that? Do you even understand how uncomfortable I am when I see myself? You probably don't.

04-02-2013, 03:10 AM	#74 (permalink)
ZiggyStardust Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Mars Posts: 108	Wait a minute.... Is it considered trolling to express one's opinions? I admit that they may be a bit wild and have the possibility to offend, but shouldn't I at least have the right to say them without being silenced? Well, Big Brother's arrived earlier than I thought. Also, at least I argue ''properly'' - ie I state my idea then support it with points, ''you're wrong and here's why'', rather than the internet argument of ''you're wrong and your mother is a whore and blah blah blah'' (Also Ziggy Stardust was not a transgender. He was the androgynous stage character of David Bowie.) __________________ Welcome to the internet, where opinions are like toilets; everyone thinks theirs are perfect but the public ones stink.

04-04-2013, 01:49 AM	#78 (permalink)
ZiggyStardust Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Mars Posts: 108	Maybe my statement wasn't clear enough. As we've established the fact that you are not that sex unless you have the chromosomes (I admit I did not know about that condition, but I don't think it occurs a lot), then to say that you ''have become a man'' etc is merely an elaborate form of role playing. __________________ Welcome to the internet, where opinions are like toilets; everyone thinks theirs are perfect but the public ones stink.