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Unknown Soldier 03-19-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1298796)
I find it a bit embarrassing that most English people can't speak a word of any other language yet most of the rest of the world can speak English, that seems quite ignorant tbh, especially when we go on holiday to other countries and don't bother to learn a few words of their language.

This mostly applies to the older generations, but it's a logical conclusion to a country that once ruled the world and everybody else had to speak English to get on in the Empire. There was never any need for Brits to learn other languages because everybody else spoke English. I think this metality is now changing with younger people who do make an effort to learn other languages.

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Originally Posted by misspoptart (Post 1298797)
In what lines of work?

Worldwide, there are 92 million native German speakers, in seven countries on one continent. Meanwhile, there are almost 390 million native Spanish speakers (+70 million as a second language), spread over 25 countries, 3 continents, and comprising 6% of the world's population. Even if a number of jobs seek German speakers, MANY more seek Spanish speakers. Having "Spanish" on your CV is an asset for almost any line of work.

However, some types of work may require German, and for those it would make sense. In any case, you will probably meet many more Spanish speakers in your lifetime than you would any other language.

I'm referring to Spain here and not Latin America. I've worked in a number of European countries and also in South America and I can tell you the working conditions and pay in Spain has to be one of the worst in Western Europe and therefore most people here in Europe that think about learning Spanish for work probably have the idea of working in Spain. Whereas on the other hand, working conditions in German speaking European countries are probably the best all round in Europe. Therefore if somebody is learning a language for work in Europe I'd recommend German over Spanish every day of the week.

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I do find it ignorant, especially with the amount of English people who get uppity about immigrants not speaking our language when they're in England. I'd imagine once the person you're talking to realises you're shit at their language then they'd naturally just switch the conversation to English anyway, but it seems nice to at least try, as opposed to just "f*ck 'em, they speak our language anyway".
The English are no different to the Spanish and French in this respect. They expect immigrants to speak their language as well.

Burning Down 04-18-2013 01:45 PM

So has anyone improved their language skills?

Cuthbert 04-18-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1308566)
So has anyone improved their language skills?

Check my profile, had a conversation in Spanish with Black Francis the other day.

Music Banter - Conversation Between Black Francis and Fluffy Kittens

It's going well. Can understand a lot of what I read but sometimes I get frustrated not being able to explain things in Spanish.

I do about an hour a day. Aim for 10 hours a week.

WWWP 04-18-2013 03:23 PM

I know some very, very basic Spanish, I can carry on a conversation in ASL, and at this point I can read and write some biblical Hebrew (I can speak some but I stumble over words). I plan to continue studying Hebrew, and eventually learn both Greek and Latin.

Zaqarbal 04-18-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1298307)
If you were to learn Castellano, how hard would it be to visit places like Mexico and Belize and be able to speak with them? Are the accents that different?

This one is the main difference, actually. But you don't have to worry about it. They will understand you anyway. And if you feel more comfortable speaking with the American-Spanish accent, it's OK too (keep in mind that seseo also exists in southern Spain and the Canary Islands). In other words, you don't have to talk like Nick Clegg, if you don't want to. :)

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1308566)
So has anyone improved their language skills?

:wave: Yep. But through a hard way: translating song lyrics. It's often a headache.

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Zaqarbal 04-19-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1308568)
Check my profile, had a conversation in Spanish with Black Francis the other day.

Music Banter - Conversation Between Black Francis and Fluffy Kittens

It's going well. Can understand a lot of what I read but sometimes I get frustrated not being able to explain things in Spanish.

I do about an hour a day. Aim for 10 hours a week.

Try the "musical way". I mean, listening to songs and all that. It could be helpful. And then you can even go beyond. For instance, this English blogger has improved his skills by translating Spanish pop songs into English (that is, the same thing I do, but, in this case, with the aim of learning Spanish). And now he's a virtuoso!

Unknown Soldier 04-19-2013 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal (Post 1308729)
This one is the main difference, actually. But you don't have to worry about it. They will understand you anyway. And if you feel more comfortable speaking with the American-Spanish accent, it's OK too (keep in mind that seseo also exists in southern Spain and the Canary Islands). In other words, you don't have to talk like Nick Clegg, if you don't want to. :)

I never found any problems speaking Castellano in Latin America and most of what I said they understood. There were some expressions that they didn't know and vice-versa. I've always found that Spanish speakers in Latin America speaking Castellano were easily understood while Latin American speakers in Spain faced more problems. Andalusian Spanish is definitely the most difficult to understand, in fact it's where I first learnt Spanish and soon got used to them shortening words.

Cuthbert 04-19-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaqarbal (Post 1308741)
Try the "musical way". I mean, listening to songs and all that. It could be helpful. And then you can even go beyond. For instance, this English blogger has improved his skills by translating Spanish pop songs into English (that is, the same thing I do, but, in this case, with the aim of learning Spanish). And now he's a virtuoso!

Been trying this. It's quite hard but it is getting phrases stuck in my head and I find myself singing along. It's quite fun tbh.

Thank you for the blog, definitely going to give this a read :)

Burning Down 04-19-2013 02:41 PM

Well I've improved my Serbian swears, lol. And I need to start speaking more French as it will benefit me when I'm looking for teaching positions (prospects are bad now thanks to this government. And the unions.)

Cuthbert 04-19-2013 02:50 PM

What are job prospects like if you can speak another language? In a country that speaks it btw not your home country.


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