What are you? (quote, nomination, last.fm)

ashatteredhope · 06-06-2005, 06:56 AM

do you people read your bible? what am i asking of course you dont. if you did you would see that preaching is one of the most important thing in our liv es. and not to convert people, but like Jesus said to give a witness to all the nations.

hookers with machineguns · 06-06-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ashatteredhope

do you people read your bible? what am i asking of course you dont. if you did you would see that preaching is one of the most important thing in our liv es. and not to convert people, but like Jesus said to give a witness to all the nations.

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God has no place in these forums, just like facts have no place in organized religion. {joking, har har, don't crucify me}

shandapanda · 06-06-2005, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

everyone has doubts, me too...but i refuse to believe there's nothing mystical about this world and the universe, that there's no reason for existence and the fact that only human beings from all the species on this planet have consciousness...why does dying for example feel good ( by that i mean the fact that people who have had near death experiences describe it as a feeling of pure joy and happiness), why not just die without it...there has to be a reason for everything...and that's how i come to the conclusion that there is a higher power...

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Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance

Good post. I like that... I like to believe that everything happens for some reason too, but when I talk to people who think differently, they say how they like to be in charge of their own lives, and they like to feel like they're alive for more of a reason than just some plan for mankind.

i totally agree with adidassss. and i have never thought gotten a really good reason from any atheist or scientologist or anyone who doesn't believe in something out there.I've beaten them in every argument using their own logic!
if my friend comes through i later i'll post a mind-boggling link to a great page where some guy proves that there is more to life than life and then death and nothing after that, but i know it has something to do with the mind and that one cannot imagine something as great as that, that doesn't actually exist like the universe....
my explanation doesn't make sense but that guy's did.If life was all there is, I'd shoot myself too.Before doubting gave me a strange sort of anxiety and accepting what I believe has made me calmer. I just don't like all the ceremonies and divisions and the complicated stuff....

adidasss · 06-06-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shandapanda

I just don't like all the ceremonies and divisions and the complicated stuff....

yeah me neither...that's why i try to go back to the basics and try to find my way to true faith and God through logic and thought...

shandapanda · 06-06-2005, 06:51 PM

exactly...
i also like thinking about it cuz in my class people belive in things like destiny which sounds lame after the 17th person has said it and it just seems like they haven't given it much thought....denial?it makes me want to ask....

holdyoualways · 06-07-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ashatteredhope

what is your religion? i am a JW.

Post 'em!

seriously? dang i thought i was the only one. too bad you left.

shandapanda · 06-07-2005, 02:21 PM

here's something i got from a friend.....
i got the text so here's something mind-boggling:
Atheists: Here's a proof of God's existence. Try disproving it. Well, you'll have to figure out just what the hell he's talking about first, but after that point...

''Therefore, Lord, you who give knowledge of the faith, give me as much knowledge as you know to be fitting for me, because you are as we believe and that which we believe. And indeed we believe you are something greater than which cannot be thought. Or is there no such kind of thing, for 'the fool said in his heart, 'there is no God'' (Ps. 13:1, 52:1)? But certainly that same fool, having heard what I just said, 'something greater than which cannot be thought,' understands what he heard, and what he understands is in his thought, even if he does not think it exists. For it is one thing for something to exist in a person's thought and quite another for the person to think that thing exists. For when a painter thinks ahead to what he will paint, he has that picture in his thought, but he does not yet think it exists, because he has not done it yet. Once he has painted it he has it in his thought and thinks it exists because he has done it. Thus even the fool is compelled to grant that something greater than which cannot be thought exists in thought, because he understands what he hears, and whatever is understood exists in thought. And certainly that greater than which cannot be understood cannot exist only in thought, for if it exists only in thought it could also be thought of as existing in reality as well, which is greater. If, therefore, that than which greater cannot be thought exists in thought alone, then that than which greater cannot be thought turns out to be that than which something greater actually can be thought, but that is obviously impossible. Therefore something than which greater cannot be thought undoubtedly exists both in thought and in reality.''

-St. Anselm

Um.... basically, the premises are that first, the greatest possible thing ('that than which nothing greater can be conceived) can be conceived in thought. We can imagine it. However, it clearly isn't the greatest thing possible if it ONLY exists in thought, because wouldn't it be greater if it actually existed, and could accomplish things? Of course. So unless the greatest thing we can conceive in thought exists not only in thought but in reality also, we have a contradiction: we've already admitted that we can THINK of the greatest thing possible, but unless it exists in reality too, it can't really BE the greatest thing possible. Therefore, it exists in reality necessarily. It's all very confusing.

Hooray for philosophical sleight of hand.

Ubersimplified version for Samck and others:

Premise 1: We can conceive, in our minds, of the greatest thing possible.
Premise 2: Something which exists in reality is greater than something which does not exist in reality.
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Conclusion: The greatest thing possible must exist in reality, or else the thing we are conceiving of in premise one isn't really the greatest thing possible.

That's a possible counterargument... but the best part about this is that you don't even have to be able to describe or admit to the existence of that than which nothing greater can be conceived... you just have to be able to grasp the concept, and you've proven its existence.

shandapanda · 06-07-2005, 03:58 PM

i guess you've been naughty!

riseagainstrocks · 06-07-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenixflames

I'm a strongly devoted believer in Jesus Christ. The term "Christian" is thrown around way too much these days. I don't really know if it even identifies with Christ's teachings anymore, but I'm not gonna start preaching...

good call

PhishFood · 06-07-2005, 08:54 PM

Well I'm a UU, We're very execpting for the most part, but I hate people who run around yelling their religion is right and that includes atheists that piss me off the most...

06-06-2005, 06:56 AM	#61 (permalink)
ashatteredhope Music Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: inside a joke Posts: 43	do you people read your bible? what am i asking of course you dont. if you did you would see that preaching is one of the most important thing in our liv es. and not to convert people, but like Jesus said to give a witness to all the nations. __________________ i would like to say good bye and thanks for the music love you have shown me.

06-06-2005, 06:51 PM	#65 (permalink)
shandapanda Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: bababbabababaaa Posts: 354	exactly... i also like thinking about it cuz in my class people belive in things like destiny which sounds lame after the 17th person has said it and it just seems like they haven't given it much thought....denial?it makes me want to ask.... __________________ The Law of Awesome states: Those who are more awesome will cast down those less awesome than themselves, thus climbing the Hierarchy of Awesome and maintaining a balance in the world of Awesome Me poo you

06-07-2005, 02:21 PM	#67 (permalink)
shandapanda Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: bababbabababaaa Posts: 354	read it slooowly here's something i got from a friend..... i got the text so here's something mind-boggling: Atheists: Here's a proof of God's existence. Try disproving it. Well, you'll have to figure out just what the hell he's talking about first, but after that point... ''Therefore, Lord, you who give knowledge of the faith, give me as much knowledge as you know to be fitting for me, because you are as we believe and that which we believe. And indeed we believe you are something greater than which cannot be thought. Or is there no such kind of thing, for 'the fool said in his heart, 'there is no God'' (Ps. 13:1, 52:1)? But certainly that same fool, having heard what I just said, 'something greater than which cannot be thought,' understands what he heard, and what he understands is in his thought, even if he does not think it exists. For it is one thing for something to exist in a person's thought and quite another for the person to think that thing exists. For when a painter thinks ahead to what he will paint, he has that picture in his thought, but he does not yet think it exists, because he has not done it yet. Once he has painted it he has it in his thought and thinks it exists because he has done it. Thus even the fool is compelled to grant that something greater than which cannot be thought exists in thought, because he understands what he hears, and whatever is understood exists in thought. And certainly that greater than which cannot be understood cannot exist only in thought, for if it exists only in thought it could also be thought of as existing in reality as well, which is greater. If, therefore, that than which greater cannot be thought exists in thought alone, then that than which greater cannot be thought turns out to be that than which something greater actually can be thought, but that is obviously impossible. Therefore something than which greater cannot be thought undoubtedly exists both in thought and in reality.'' -St. Anselm Um.... basically, the premises are that first, the greatest possible thing ('that than which nothing greater can be conceived) can be conceived in thought. We can imagine it. However, it clearly isn't the greatest thing possible if it ONLY exists in thought, because wouldn't it be greater if it actually existed, and could accomplish things? Of course. So unless the greatest thing we can conceive in thought exists not only in thought but in reality also, we have a contradiction: we've already admitted that we can THINK of the greatest thing possible, but unless it exists in reality too, it can't really BE the greatest thing possible. Therefore, it exists in reality necessarily. It's all very confusing. Hooray for philosophical sleight of hand. Ubersimplified version for Samck and others: Premise 1: We can conceive, in our minds, of the greatest thing possible. Premise 2: Something which exists in reality is greater than something which does not exist in reality. --------------------------------- Conclusion: The greatest thing possible must exist in reality, or else the thing we are conceiving of in premise one isn't really the greatest thing possible. That's a possible counterargument... but the best part about this is that you don't even have to be able to describe or admit to the existence of that than which nothing greater can be conceived... you just have to be able to grasp the concept, and you've proven its existence. __________________ The Law of Awesome states: Those who are more awesome will cast down those less awesome than themselves, thus climbing the Hierarchy of Awesome and maintaining a balance in the world of Awesome Me poo you

06-07-2005, 03:58 PM	#68 (permalink)
shandapanda Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: bababbabababaaa Posts: 354	i guess you've been naughty! __________________ The Law of Awesome states: Those who are more awesome will cast down those less awesome than themselves, thus climbing the Hierarchy of Awesome and maintaining a balance in the world of Awesome Me poo you

06-07-2005, 08:54 PM	#70 (permalink)
PhishFood Bottom-Feeder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The American Dreamscape Posts: 316	Well I'm a UU, We're very execpting for the most part, but I hate people who run around yelling their religion is right and that includes atheists that piss me off the most... __________________ Winos don't march