Who do you want as the next US President? (American, show)

Interactive · 03-11-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jibber

^ ya, but the US is based on a secular system, so religious reasons is really no reason to make it illegal. personnally, i have no problem with it. two people love each other, whats the big deal? i guess it comes down to it being a private thing between two people, if it doesn't affect you, why shouldn't it be allowed?

Based on a secular system? So why did the founding fathers put "In God we trust" along with a lot of other religous (more so Christian) symbols, sayings etc.

Interactive · 03-11-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MobilizeTerror

I always thought that marriage was a state thing... When did it become federal? I couldnt really care less if a *** couple got married..

Nope it's a federal thing, however states have to meet or exceed the federal governments standards, thus places like SF are breaking not just state law but federal law.

IamAlejo · 03-12-2004, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jibber

^ ya, but the US is based on a secular system, so religious reasons is really no reason to make it illegal. personnally, i have no problem with it. two people love each other, whats the big deal? i guess it comes down to it being a private thing between two people, if it doesn't affect you, why shouldn't it be allowed?

If you live in the US you should be shot for your stupidity.....Ever heard of this little statement created in your own constituion. "God Created All Men Equal." Basically the statement our country was founded on. But yeah, religion is not important.

IamAlejo · 03-12-2004, 03:35 PM

Nevermind, I believe I read in another thread that you aren't American. Thank God for that, and once again, don't speak too much about what you don't know about.

IamAlejo · 03-12-2004, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactive

Nope it's a federal thing, however states have to meet or exceed the federal governments standards, thus places like SF are breaking not just state law but federal law.

Once again for all you law know-it-alls, in California the defenition of marriage in California's State Constitution is "The binding of unity between a man and a woman." No state amendment was made to the State Constitution, so really they were breaking their own laws. It is a federal thing if the fed's want it to be, they have the power.

2tonelol · 03-12-2004, 03:44 PM

Yes Jibber how dare you come on to a forum and express an opinion!!!!
What are you some sort of fool!! You can't go round having individual thought on another countries domestic politics.
You know i may even have to now never visit this site again because of your ignorance in thinking you are allowed to have your say!

IamAlejo · 03-12-2004, 05:16 PM

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^ ya, but the US is based on a secular system, so religious reasons is really no reason to make it illegal.

Hmm....doesn't look like an opinion to me...looks like he is stating facts. His facts are wrong. Of course, getting an outsider's opinion on the country I live in is hysterical, since many of you know nothing about what you talk about.

Interactive · 03-12-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Once again for all you law know-it-alls, in California the defenition of marriage in California's State Constitution is "The binding of unity between a man and a woman." No state amendment was made to the State Constitution, so really they were breaking their own laws. It is a federal thing if the fed's want it to be, they have the power.

Wasn't trying to come off as arrogant, but whatever.

Anyways, from my understanding in Massachusetts the marriage can only be legal if it would be valid in every state...

IamAlejo · 03-13-2004, 05:13 PM

Wasn't really talkin to you there interactive, mainly the people from outside the US who speak of US laws like they know what they are.

jibber · 03-13-2004, 06:35 PM

wow, i'm sorry, i didn't realize i would be berrated for making a mistake about the exact wording about a constitution. damn, where did i get the nerve to voice my thought on an issue before spending time thoroughly researching the topic? seriously, lighten up, its a freakin internet forum. and anyways, although the constitution makes references to religion, alot has changed since then. one, not everyone follows the christian religion, or any religion for that matter, and two, there are many examples of american society in which there is separation of church and state. such as public education. For the most part, in terms of LEAGAL issues, religion is not a factor. it is my opinion that religion should not even be an issue when debating *** marriages, as it is primarily for legal reasons that ***s want the opportunity to get married, so they can get the same benefits as straight couples, and so they are recognized by law as a legally married couple. and for those who say marriage is a strictly religious ceremony, not neccessarily. there are many people who are not religious at all, so they look at marriage from a strictly legal viewpoint.

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2tonelol looking long'n'hard Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampton London Posts: 161	Yes Jibber how dare you come on to a forum and express an opinion!!!! What are you some sort of fool!! You can't go round having individual thought on another countries domestic politics. You know i may even have to now never visit this site again because of your ignorance in thinking you are allowed to have your say! __________________ Jesus is coming!!!! Look Busy!!!! http://liquidator.mysite.freeserve.com/

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jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	wow, i'm sorry, i didn't realize i would be berrated for making a mistake about the exact wording about a constitution. damn, where did i get the nerve to voice my thought on an issue before spending time thoroughly researching the topic? seriously, lighten up, its a freakin internet forum. and anyways, although the constitution makes references to religion, alot has changed since then. one, not everyone follows the christian religion, or any religion for that matter, and two, there are many examples of american society in which there is separation of church and state. such as public education. For the most part, in terms of LEAGAL issues, religion is not a factor. it is my opinion that religion should not even be an issue when debating * marriages, as it is primarily for legal reasons that *s want the opportunity to get married, so they can get the same benefits as straight couples, and so they are recognized by law as a legally married couple. and for those who say marriage is a strictly religious ceremony, not neccessarily. there are many people who are not religious at all, so they look at marriage from a strictly legal viewpoint. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER