Who do you want as the next US President? (country, American)

IamAlejo · 03-12-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactive

Nope it's a federal thing, however states have to meet or exceed the federal governments standards, thus places like SF are breaking not just state law but federal law.

Once again for all you law know-it-alls, in California the defenition of marriage in California's State Constitution is "The binding of unity between a man and a woman." No state amendment was made to the State Constitution, so really they were breaking their own laws. It is a federal thing if the fed's want it to be, they have the power.

Interactive · 03-12-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Once again for all you law know-it-alls, in California the defenition of marriage in California's State Constitution is "The binding of unity between a man and a woman." No state amendment was made to the State Constitution, so really they were breaking their own laws. It is a federal thing if the fed's want it to be, they have the power.

Wasn't trying to come off as arrogant, but whatever.

Anyways, from my understanding in Massachusetts the marriage can only be legal if it would be valid in every state...

MobilizeTerror · 03-13-2004, 08:16 PM

Often people use the term "Marriage is an institution between one man and one woman"

It is easily the weakest. Who says who marriage is to be defined by? It seems to me that if the straight community cannot show a good reason to deny the institution of marriage to *** people, it shouldn't be denied. And such simple, nebulous declarations are hardly a good reason. They're really more like an expression of prejudce than any kind of a real argument. The concept of not denying people their rights unless you can show a good reason to do so is the very basis of the American ideal of human rights.

Just my, and some other peoples opinions

IamAlejo · 03-14-2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MobilizeTerror

Often people use the term "Marriage is an institution between one man and one woman"

It is easily the weakest. Who says who marriage is to be defined by? It seems to me that if the straight community cannot show a good reason to deny the institution of marriage to *** people, it shouldn't be denied. And such simple, nebulous declarations are hardly a good reason. They're really more like an expression of prejudce than any kind of a real argument. The concept of not denying people their rights unless you can show a good reason to do so is the very basis of the American ideal of human rights.

Just my, and some other peoples opinions

When a State Constitution puts that as a defenition, unless the State's constitution is changed then it would be illegal for marriage. National Government is supreme to everything in America. It doesn't matter what a state does. That's why you don't see the states taxing the national government. It's called Federalism, or your goverment if you live in the US. So the national government has an important decision to make.

jibber · 03-11-2004, 07:31 PM

^ ya it was a state thing, but bush has been talking lately about changing the constitution to ban *** marriages in all states, what a wonderful guy

IamAlejo · 03-12-2004, 02:35 PM

Nevermind, I believe I read in another thread that you aren't American. Thank God for that, and once again, don't speak too much about what you don't know about.

2tonelol · 03-12-2004, 02:44 PM

Yes Jibber how dare you come on to a forum and express an opinion!!!!
What are you some sort of fool!! You can't go round having individual thought on another countries domestic politics.
You know i may even have to now never visit this site again because of your ignorance in thinking you are allowed to have your say!

IamAlejo · 03-12-2004, 04:16 PM

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^ ya, but the US is based on a secular system, so religious reasons is really no reason to make it illegal.

Hmm....doesn't look like an opinion to me...looks like he is stating facts. His facts are wrong. Of course, getting an outsider's opinion on the country I live in is hysterical, since many of you know nothing about what you talk about.

IamAlejo · 03-13-2004, 04:13 PM

Wasn't really talkin to you there interactive, mainly the people from outside the US who speak of US laws like they know what they are.

jibber · 03-13-2004, 05:35 PM

wow, i'm sorry, i didn't realize i would be berrated for making a mistake about the exact wording about a constitution. damn, where did i get the nerve to voice my thought on an issue before spending time thoroughly researching the topic? seriously, lighten up, its a freakin internet forum. and anyways, although the constitution makes references to religion, alot has changed since then. one, not everyone follows the christian religion, or any religion for that matter, and two, there are many examples of american society in which there is separation of church and state. such as public education. For the most part, in terms of LEAGAL issues, religion is not a factor. it is my opinion that religion should not even be an issue when debating *** marriages, as it is primarily for legal reasons that ***s want the opportunity to get married, so they can get the same benefits as straight couples, and so they are recognized by law as a legally married couple. and for those who say marriage is a strictly religious ceremony, not neccessarily. there are many people who are not religious at all, so they look at marriage from a strictly legal viewpoint.

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03-13-2004, 08:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
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jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,544	^ ya it was a state thing, but bush has been talking lately about changing the constitution to ban *** marriages in all states, what a wonderful guy __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

03-12-2004, 02:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,575	Nevermind, I believe I read in another thread that you aren't American. Thank God for that, and once again, don't speak too much about what you don't know about. __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama

03-12-2004, 02:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
2tonelol looking long'n'hard Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hampton London Posts: 160	Yes Jibber how dare you come on to a forum and express an opinion!!!! What are you some sort of fool!! You can't go round having individual thought on another countries domestic politics. You know i may even have to now never visit this site again because of your ignorance in thinking you are allowed to have your say! __________________ Jesus is coming!!!! Look Busy!!!! http://liquidator.mysite.freeserve.com/

03-13-2004, 04:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
IamAlejo Muck Fusic Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,575	Wasn't really talkin to you there interactive, mainly the people from outside the US who speak of US laws like they know what they are. __________________ a man, a plan, a canal, panama

03-13-2004, 05:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,544	wow, i'm sorry, i didn't realize i would be berrated for making a mistake about the exact wording about a constitution. damn, where did i get the nerve to voice my thought on an issue before spending time thoroughly researching the topic? seriously, lighten up, its a freakin internet forum. and anyways, although the constitution makes references to religion, alot has changed since then. one, not everyone follows the christian religion, or any religion for that matter, and two, there are many examples of american society in which there is separation of church and state. such as public education. For the most part, in terms of LEAGAL issues, religion is not a factor. it is my opinion that religion should not even be an issue when debating * marriages, as it is primarily for legal reasons that *s want the opportunity to get married, so they can get the same benefits as straight couples, and so they are recognized by law as a legally married couple. and for those who say marriage is a strictly religious ceremony, not neccessarily. there are many people who are not religious at all, so they look at marriage from a strictly legal viewpoint. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER