The philosophical thoughts thread!

**Janszoon** · 10-22-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyaga

Sleeping with a beautiful women will be fun at first, but because youll do it infinite amount of times, you will get used to it. it will become less and less fun.
until youll get bored from it. and it will be this way with every single thing...
Doing something fun infinite amount of times is a torture.
Doing every possible thing infinite amount of times.... is the ultimate torture.

You still haven't explained to me why being bored would be so horrible. Plus, as I mentioned above, you don't have an infinite capacity for memory. You wouldn't remember the vast majority of things you've done so repeating them would still feel like a new experience.

crazyaga · 10-22-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

You still haven't explained to me why being bored would be so horrible. Plus, as I mentioned above, you don't have an infinite capacity for memory. You wouldn't remember the vast majority of things you've done so repeating them would still feel like a new experience.

Well yha. The finite memory thing indeed ruined my idea, so well done

BUT YOU WILL STILL BE DOING INFINITE AMOUNT OF THINGS FOR INFINITY!

Phantom Limb · 10-22-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

How do you know there will be an infinite amount of things to do?

Creativity is the key.

**Janszoon** · 10-22-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyaga

well yha. the finite memory thing indeed ruined my idea, so well done

BUT YOU WILL STILL BE DOING INFINITE AMOUNT OF THINGS FOR INFINITY!

So what? Living forever having what feels like constant new and exciting experiences sounds a lot better than death to me.

crazyaga · 10-22-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

So what? Living forever having what feels like constant new and exciting experiences sounds a lot better than death to me.

As I said before, the memory thing indeed ruined my idea.
Though I think our memory is big enough to get us bored from the things we remembered we did. Try to imagine it.

CanwllCorfe · 10-22-2012, 04:21 PM

I feel the fact that because our life is limited, we have incentive to do things. Knowing you have an eternity to do things would seem to take that incentive away, since you know you could do that thing tomorrow and the next day and the following day for 100 years and still have forever beyond that. There'd be no urgency. Think about vacation. Lets say you're going to Florida. You love it. You have a great time, weather is fantastic, and you do all kinds of great stuff. Now, what if you moved there? All of those things would get old, and fast. My sister lives there and she barely ever goes to the beach, since she knows it's always there and thinks it's nothing special. What gives it meaning is that it's temporal and novel, and that you only have a set time there. It's also that you know you'll be going back to work, school, what have you. If your whole life was a vacation, it wouldn't be vacation at all.

The only kind of "immortality" I would ever enjoy having would be the kind I could opt out of. I'd like awhile to be around, but I would loathe the thought of never having a way out.

crazyaga · 10-22-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

I feel the fact that because our life is limited, we have incentive to do things. Knowing you have an eternity to do things would seem to take that incentive away, since you know you could do that thing tomorrow and the next day and the following day for 100 years and still have forever beyond that. There'd be no urgency. Think about vacation. Lets say you're going to Florida. You love it. You have a great time, weather is fantastic, and you do all kinds of great stuff. Now, what if you moved there? All of those things would get old, and fast. My sister lives there and she barely ever goes to the beach, since she knows it's always there and thinks it's nothing special. What gives it meaning is that it's temporal and novel, and that you only have a set time there. It's also that you know you'll be going back to work, school, what have you. If your whole life was a vacation, it wouldn't be vacation at all.

The only kind of "immortality" I would ever enjoy having would be the kind I could opt out of. I'd like awhile to be around, but I would loathe the thought of never having a way out.

I really enjoyed reading this

Very true

**Frownland** · 10-22-2012, 05:33 PM

It'd be nice to live for a long time, but not forever. I'm sure that the not being able to masturbate part of the contract would suck, but hey, I've done that to infinity already, so I'd already be bored of it

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~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 10-22-2012, 05:47 PM

Living forever would actually be pretty damn exciting. You'd get to see civilizations come and go, participate in events that shape history, meet and have relationships with all kinds of influential, wonderful, unique people. There might be long stretches of floating around in space after the Earth dies, but I'm sure you could find a way to retreat into your mind or something, or become inactive until something awakens you.

I've mentioned before, and although some have disagreed with me (we had an interesting discussion in another thread), true infinity when applied to anything temporal or "physical" in the sense that we interact with it as it exists from our perspective of time/space implies that eventually, all outcomes, however unlikely, should take place. If existence itself (not necessarily the universe, but perhaps a multitude of universes in succession of some kind of time-like existential function existing independently from space itself, or even a multiverse in which all possible outcomes exist simultaneously) is infinite, which seeing as we're here I find it hard to wrap my head around the proposition that it isn't (the classic "what gave rise to X"? quandary of classical times), being immortal as a human who can presumably survive the harsh conditions of outer space and the unknown conditions which exist(?)/will exist/have existed outside of our particular universe (if indeed the concept of anything "outside" or independent of all we know is valid) would be FUCKING AWESOME, but the experience of eternity would likely change you so much that you'd hardly resemble your current self, with all of your earthly desires, hobbies, relationships, and experiences.

If a person like that ever came down to Earth to hang out for a bit, they'd be great to have a cup of coffee with. He may even know a "you" from another universe 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 universes ago. Only that "you" married the girl of "your" dreams and had 23 kids, and as is customary on his planet named each one of them after Spongebob characters.

EDIT: There was a good point made about not having an infinite capacity for memory. I guess I just assumed if you can live forever you're some kind of super human, but maybe not.

CanwllCorfe · 10-22-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyaga

I really enjoyed reading this

Very true

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Conan

I'm sure you could find a way to retreat into your mind or something, or become inactive until something awakens you.

This is the only way I'd be able to keep from going insane.

10-22-2012, 04:21 PM	#36 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	I feel the fact that because our life is limited, we have incentive to do things. Knowing you have an eternity to do things would seem to take that incentive away, since you know you could do that thing tomorrow and the next day and the following day for 100 years and still have forever beyond that. There'd be no urgency. Think about vacation. Lets say you're going to Florida. You love it. You have a great time, weather is fantastic, and you do all kinds of great stuff. Now, what if you moved there? All of those things would get old, and fast. My sister lives there and she barely ever goes to the beach, since she knows it's always there and thinks it's nothing special. What gives it meaning is that it's temporal and novel, and that you only have a set time there. It's also that you know you'll be going back to work, school, what have you. If your whole life was a vacation, it wouldn't be vacation at all. The only kind of "immortality" I would ever enjoy having would be the kind I could opt out of. I'd like awhile to be around, but I would loathe the thought of never having a way out. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

10-22-2012, 05:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	It'd be nice to live for a long time, but not forever. I'm sure that the not being able to masturbate part of the contract would suck, but hey, I've done that to infinity already, so I'd already be bored of it . __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

10-22-2012, 05:47 PM	#39 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	Living forever would actually be pretty damn exciting. You'd get to see civilizations come and go, participate in events that shape history, meet and have relationships with all kinds of influential, wonderful, unique people. There might be long stretches of floating around in space after the Earth dies, but I'm sure you could find a way to retreat into your mind or something, or become inactive until something awakens you. I've mentioned before, and although some have disagreed with me (we had an interesting discussion in another thread), true infinity when applied to anything temporal or "physical" in the sense that we interact with it as it exists from our perspective of time/space implies that eventually, all outcomes, however unlikely, should take place. If existence itself (not necessarily the universe, but perhaps a multitude of universes in succession of some kind of time-like existential function existing independently from space itself, or even a multiverse in which all possible outcomes exist simultaneously) is infinite, which seeing as we're here I find it hard to wrap my head around the proposition that it isn't (the classic "what gave rise to X"? quandary of classical times), being immortal as a human who can presumably survive the harsh conditions of outer space and the unknown conditions which exist(?)/will exist/have existed outside of our particular universe (if indeed the concept of anything "outside" or independent of all we know is valid) would be FUCKING AWESOME, but the experience of eternity would likely change you so much that you'd hardly resemble your current self, with all of your earthly desires, hobbies, relationships, and experiences. If a person like that ever came down to Earth to hang out for a bit, they'd be great to have a cup of coffee with. He may even know a "you" from another universe 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 universes ago. Only that "you" married the girl of "your" dreams and had 23 kids, and as is customary on his planet named each one of them after Spongebob characters. EDIT: There was a good point made about not having an infinite capacity for memory. I guess I just assumed if you can live forever you're some kind of super human, but maybe not.