Trite sayings that people think are profound.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Recognizing the universe for what it is (chaotic and simply present with no moral code) is neither positive nor negative. The philosophy may attract pessimists but that doesn't mean that those two philosophies are connected, which is what I was driving at with my earlier racist/conservative analogy. Conflating the two suggests a misunderstanding of one of the other afaic.

I have never heard the definition you use echoed by any publications I've read or nihilists that I personally know. I'm talking about expressly existential nihilism which relates directly to life. The universe is not a living being therefore I'm confused at how the entropy of the universe ties into philosophies that directly relate to the specific existence of living organisms and the meaning therein.

Recognizing the universe as just the universe is realism, but you seem to be the one conflating it with nihilism for some odd reason. Just cause you conflate the two doesn't make them the same. I see now where our confusion arises from.

**Frownland** · 12-01-2018, 11:23 PM

Life is separate from the universe because of Jesus or something right.

The nature of the universe extends to all that it encompasses. Until I see otherwise, I'm going to count on that **** being meaningless, but I can still appreciate pleasure because that's the best **** ever.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 11:26 PM

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Life is separate from the universe because of Jesus or something right

Yes, Frown. I'm a Christian neo-Con or whatever you want me to be. I'm here for you baby.

**Frownland** · 12-01-2018, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by windsock

Yes, Frown. I'm a Christian neo-Con or whatever you want me to be. I'm here for you baby.

Can you try being a skeptic with some self-awareness instead? Because meaning isn't synonymous with positivity or negativity despite you viewing a lack of meaning as an inherently negative thing.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The nature of the universe extends to all that it encompasses. Until I see otherwise, I'm going to count on that **** being meaningless, but I can still appreciate pleasure because that's the best **** ever.

Still a philosophy based in pessimism lmao. Just because you find an optimistic altruist to be subjectively wrong doesn't mean they are. Just cause I'm an atheist doesn't mean the absence of God is a proven fact, it's just I've assembled enough scientific evidence and personal opinion to make the (what I believe to be) reasonable assumption that there is no deity. The same goes for you and your nihilism, which in some ways is even more subjective than religious belief as it lies in the realm of philosophy. You can go on and on all day about how dumb those gall-darned Christians and optimists are but it doesn't change the fact that not only your belief is as subjective as theirs but that you're on the pessimistic end.

I feel like you're getting personally insulted by my use of the term pessimism because you think I'm calling you a cantankerous grouch. I'm not. Again, I'll pull up Wikipedia's definition of philosophical pessimism:

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Philosophical pessimism is the related idea that views the world in a strictly anti-optimistic fashion. This form of pessimism is not an emotional disposition as the term commonly connotes. Instead, it is a philosophy or worldview that directly challenges the notion of progress and what may be considered the faith-based claims of optimism. Philosophical pessimists are often existential nihilists believing that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. Their responses to this condition, however, are widely varied and often life-affirming.

Bold lines up with pessimism and nihilism's linkage, italics lines up with the nihilist spectrum I discussed previously, and impact lines up with you not being a Scrooge for being a nihilist.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Can you try being a skeptic with some self-awareness instead? Because meaning isn't synonymous with positivity or negativity despite you viewing a lack of meaning as an inherently negative thing.

Never said it was an inherently negative thing. I said it was an inherently pessimistic thing. Meaning though, like I said, is a matter of perspective.

You're trying to brow-beat me as an anti-nihilist when I ain't.

**Frownland** · 12-01-2018, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by windsock

Never said it was an inherently negative thing. I said it was an inherently pessimistic thing.

I guess that you don't really understand pessimism, then.

Lucem Ferre · 12-01-2018, 11:42 PM

We don't feel like you're ****ting on us and a lot of members on here ARE cotchety.

Just feel is though you're misinterpreting what nihilism is.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I guess that you don't really understand pessimism, then.

Looks like you're the one not understanding the pessimism I'm talking about. Stop trying to achieve a gotcha moment and actually read my posts. You're running yourself in circles, ya damn goof.

**Frownland** · 12-01-2018, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by windsock

Still a philosophy based in pessimism lmao. Just because you find an optimistic altruist to be subjectively wrong doesn't mean they are. Just cause I'm an atheist doesn't mean the absence of God is a proven fact, it's just I've assembled enough scientific evidence and personal opinion to make the (what I believe to be) reasonable assumption that there is no deity. The same goes for you and your nihilism, which in some ways is even more subjective than religious belief as it lies in the realm of philosophy. You can go on and on all day about how dumb those gall-darned Christians and optimists are but it doesn't change the fact that not only your belief is as subjective as theirs but that you're on the pessimistic end.

Also seems like you don't really understand atheism, either.

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