Trite sayings that people think are profound.

Lucem Ferre · 12-01-2018, 06:29 AM

There could be one huge meaningless plan. In reality, my plans are the only ones that actually do have meaning.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I don't think you know what nihilism is.

I am very familiar with what nihilism is. I corrected myself though because I believe, as Lucem pointed out, defeatism better relates to my point. In a way I find the two at least somewhat related as they're both rooted in pessimism, though this relation is fairly minor and I wouldn't go so far as to say the two are the same.

**Frownland** · 12-01-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by windsock

rooted in pessimism

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I don't think you know what nihilism is.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 11:48 AM

Skepticism often breeds pessimism, and I think that holds true for many nihilists. Perhaps it's not fundamental but it's definitely common.

**Frownland** · 12-01-2018, 11:57 AM

Ah gotcha. Kinda like how conservatism is rooted in racism since there are so many racist conservatives.

The Batlord · 12-01-2018, 12:10 PM

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Nihilism (/ˈnaɪ(h)ɪlɪzəm, ˈniː-/; from Latin nihil, meaning 'nothing') is the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial or lack of belief towards the reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that there is no inherent morality, and that accepted moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism may also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or reality does not actually exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

windsock · 12-01-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ah gotcha. Kinda like how conservatism is rooted in racism since there are so many racist conservatives.

One could make that argument, sure. I don't see much wrong with making connections between the behaviors of a group and the ideology in which they believe, although I think beliefs and terms change over time and that's why there's nuance when it comes to distinguishing the archetypal and the modern. Most of the nihilists I know are really just pessimists, and I believe why thyare is because "pop nihilism" differs from archetypal nihilism. Similarly, you could make the argument that conservatism, although not inherently racist, could have its principles warped to fit a racist audience, thus creating a sort of new brand of conservatism.

windsock · 12-01-2018, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

"...existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value."

I fail to see how this isn't pessimistic. And as long as we're regurgitating Wikipedia:

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Philosophical pessimists are often existential nihilists believing that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. Their responses to this condition, however, are widely varied and often life-affirming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pessimism

I'm not trying to say this **** is intrinsically linked as much as I'm saying they tend to go hand in hand. The whole "life-affirming" part goes with my point earlier how nihilism isn't defeatist because nihilists are still personally productive.

**Frownland** · 12-01-2018, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by windsock

"...existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value."

Just because life has no meaning doesn't meant that I can't enjoy it or expect positive things to happen.

**Janszoon** · 12-01-2018, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by windsock

"...existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value."

I fail to see how this isn't pessimistic.

What’s pessimistic about it? It doesn’t mean your life doesn’t have meaning to you.

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