Trite sayings that people think are profound.

**Marie Monday** · 12-03-2018, 02:51 PM

So this got really philosoplical. But one quote that annoys me is this one, because you just know that people who post this are easily triggered themselves, and because I have seen it attributed to around five different people:
"You will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you. True power is sitting back and observing everything with logic; true power is restraint. If words control you that means everyone else can control you; breathe and allow things to pass."

And any quote with an image of the joker is always cringy

**Frownland** · 12-03-2018, 02:54 PM

Which one?

The Batlord · 12-03-2018, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MariaExpressesHerself

So this got really philosoplical. But one quote that annoys me is this one, because you just know that people who post this are easily triggered themselves, and because I have seen it attributed to around five different people

And any quote with an image of the joker is always cringy

**Marie Monday** · 12-03-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Which one?

Yeah somehow the image didn't work

The Batlord · 12-03-2018, 02:58 PM

I think you posted the preview link from Google and not the actual picture link.

**Marie Monday** · 12-03-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I think you posted the preview link from Google and not the actual picture link.

Yep. I'm pretty clumsy with computer related things for someone my age

windsock · 12-03-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Nihilism presupposes neither positive nor negative outcomes, though, it simply asserts that the action or the outcome doesn't have any meaning, which is a neutral stance. Philosophical pessimism is more of a means of protection from disappointment than the more or less objective premise of nihilism.

There's overlap in the Venn diagram of nihilists and pessimists but it's far from a circle and the philosophies themselves are even less connected. One could easily exist without the other and to say that the two philosophies are rooted in one another is to confuse the trend for the rule.

Both nihilism and philosophical pessimism are neutral, realist philosophies. That's the specific fundamental crossover I'm talking about. They both seek to accept the harsh, chaotic realities of our society, our world, and our universe. Nietzsche took influence from Schopenhauer's pessimistic realism but presented it in a more life-affirming light. Instead of pessimism's arguably defeatist approach to the inconsequentiality of existence, nihilism aims to present it as a reason to keep living.

I read somewhere that pessimists like Schopenhauer used this "will to nothingness" as a fuel to keep living. Would you not say nihilists do the same thing? All I'm saying is the scholars who developed the idea of pessimism greatly influenced those who developed nihilism. This certainly does not make them the same thing, nor the believers in either the same. They just have a little bit of eachother within them, as cheesy as that sounds.

TL;DR: I'm not saying philosophical pessimists and nihilists are the same thing, but the base ideologies have a lot of crossover. This is the reason there's such an overlap in the Venn diagram.

**Frownland** · 12-03-2018, 03:20 PM

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nihilism aims to present it as a reason to keep living.

Not necessarily. For nihilism, the nature of existence just is what it is, to reference a tritely profound saying. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. I really do mean that it's neutral when I say that.

windsock · 12-03-2018, 03:32 PM

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Not necessarily. For nihilism, the nature of existence just is what it is, to reference a tritely profound saying. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. I really do mean that it's neutral when I say that.

Funny because that's that saying this whole argument arose from.

I still think you're equating nihilism with realism far too much. Realism serves as the fundamental groundwork for nihilism but it differs it's meant to define life's purpose in a overall meaningless universe. There's a reason nihilism is a term separate from realism.

**Frownland** · 12-03-2018, 03:42 PM

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Funny because that's that saying this whole argument arose from.

I still think you're equating nihilism with realism far too much. Realism serves as the fundamental groundwork for nihilism but it differs it's meant to define life's purpose in a overall meaningless universe. There's a reason nihilism is a term separate from realism.

Is there any reason to suggest that the conclusions of nihilism are unrealistic?

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