This guy is my cousin.

GuitarBizarre · 02-02-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

I'm not sure how things work over there but if I avoid the police at all costs, in every aspect. I lie to them to stop myself getting in bother, I've ran away from them whilst underage drinking. I'm not debating the fact that this Christopher guy may be a scumbag, but the police aren't all that you know. I know a small handful of police officers or children of police officers. I've seen police officers taking class A drugs. My ex-boyfriends dad was a police officer and her got caught doing 100mph on the motorway which should be an automatic 2year driving ban but because his fathers a policeman he got points. There's so many stories like this I know. Police officers pretend to be law abiding citizens when infact they're just as scummy as the rest of us.

For one, I'm british, love.

For two, you've only given examples of when the police have been lenient there. I don't see how any of them change the morality of how the police dog handler responded to the situation. He warned, he let the dog loose, and after he was brought down the guy carried on trying to get away, so the dog continued in the effort to bring him down.

I've no real reason to believe it wasn't exactly as clear cut as that, just as surely as you have no reason to believe it was. At the end of the day though, to speak about the guy involved, a family member outing you as a scumbag doesn't really lead me to believe you're the side of the story I should be listening to. Especially when your lawyer is already quoting facts to the press about injuries caused by police, omitting information like "this data is only applicable to 65 arrests out of 11000"

FETCHER. · 02-02-2012, 04:01 PM

For one, don't patronise me, love.

For two, what part of I've seen a police officer taking class A drugs isn't comprehending? Taking class A drugs is seen by the 'police' as an unforgivable offence basically. So an officer doing something that they could potentially go to jail for isn't very responsible is it? Why should they be let away with an offence like that and this guy gets mauled for flinging a skateboard about. I just gave an examples of times where the police are hypocritical, but it's blasphemy if it's not them is all I'm saying.

GuitarBizarre · 02-02-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

For one, don't patronise me, love.

For two, what part of I've seen a police officer taking class A drugs isn't comprehending? Taking class A drugs is seen by the 'police' as an unforgivable offence basically. So an officer doing something that they could potentially go to jail for isn't very responsible is it? Why should they be let away with an offence like that and this guy gets mauled for flinging a skateboard about. I just gave an examples of times where the police are hypocritical, but it's blasphemy if it's not them is all I'm saying.

And what I'm saying is you're comparing two completely unrelated problems - Police Corruption, and Police Brutality.

Apples and Oranges. The two things don't have any bearing on each other. A corrupt police officer can be brutal, or they can be super lenient. A straight police officer can also be brutal or lenient.

I also think you're pushing a view on me that you've had borne out by your own experience with the police. I've friends in the police force too, and I live round the corner from our local station as part of greater manchester. Its not like I'm some rube who's only contact with the police is CSI dramas and I don't know how things are in a city or with real policepeople.

Yes, the police are human beings and are fallible, but they also have a job to do and they work in an environment and within a system that does its best to stamp out the kind of behaviours that you're implying are endemic (And without any but anecdotal evidence, no less)

FETCHER. · 02-02-2012, 04:12 PM

If I was trying to force my opinion on you I'd probably give a fuck about the whole ordeal.

I get the whole corruption/brutality not being the same thing side too, I just don't see why you're shooting down what I'm saying as if it's got no relevance to the police being fine with doing something like this to a guy but find it completely acceptable to commit crimes themselfs?

GuitarBizarre · 02-02-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

If I was trying to force my opinion on you I'd probably give a fuck about the whole ordeal.

I get the whole corruption/brutality not being the same thing side too, I just don't see why you're shooting down what I'm saying as if it's got no relevance to the police being fine with doing something like this to a guy but find it completely acceptable to commit crimes themselfs?

Because thats not the discussion? The discussion is "Is this police brutality". I don't believe it is, on the strength of the statement released by the police, and the fact that the contrary statement has had its credibility significantly weakened by the fact this thread even exists.

The discussion is not "Are the police hypocrites". I have real trouble seeing how you can possibly believe it is.

FETCHER. · 02-02-2012, 04:42 PM

I KNOW ITS NOT THE FUCKING DISCUSSION I WAS MEERLY MAKING A POINT. Fucksake.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 02-02-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

I'm not sure how things work over there but if I avoid the police at all costs, in every aspect. I lie to them to stop myself getting in bother, I've ran away from them whilst underage drinking. I'm not debating the fact that this Christopher guy may be a scumbag, but the police aren't all that you know. I know a small handful of police officers or children of police officers. I've seen police officers taking class A drugs. My ex-boyfriends dad was a police officer and her got caught doing 100mph on the motorway which should be an automatic 2year driving ban but because his fathers a policeman he got points. There's so many stories like this I know. Police officers pretend to be law abiding citizens when infact they're just as scummy as the rest of us.

They are the same here. They power trip, use prostitutes in uniform, beat people unnecessarily, give out tickets for the sake of getting their quota for the month and let the US government tell them what to do.

It is absolutely down to who you are, how your dressed, if your female and your skin colour for the treatment you receive from them. I was at a festival not too long ago and I caught a police man perving at all the skimpily dresses women around. I mean I know he's a man but have some bloody restraint and do your job.

But there are exceptions. There are some brilliant police officers out there just as there are good people in life. Unfortunately they are not necessarily going to be the ones who you end up with.

Atrocious · 02-02-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'm sorry, but if you attack a bus with a skateboard and then don't stop when the police tell you to stop, I think it's fair to assume that you might be dangerous (and on drugs). In that case, I'd rather they sick a dog on you than endanger the police officer.

Out of curiosity, how would you people who think that this is police brutality have handled the situation?

Don't they have tazers in Canada?

On the real though, cops are pussies these days. Fat ****ers too mostly. Coming from an exmilitary perspective, a cop should be able to run a mother****er down and whoop his ass. I dunno how they are in Canada but here where I'm at they're all lazy, out of shape, pompous bastards and I've never seen a one of 'em that could catch me.

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

He warned, he let the dog loose, and after he was brought down the guy carried on trying to get away, so the dog continued in the effort to bring him down.

If a dog was latching into your leg, wouldn't you try to get away from it? Just saying, self preservation and all that.

My issue with it isn't that the guy was obviously a burntout dumbass, I think the problom was that the dog wasn't the right choice here. Run him down, taze him, call for backup, **** do like Aurora said and batarang his ass! The guy didn't hurt anyone so really ain't right to **** him all up.

FETCHER. · 02-02-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

They are the same here. They power trip, use prostitutes in uniform, beat people unnecessarily, give out tickets for the sake of getting their quota for the month and let the US government tell them what to do.

It is absolutely down to who you are, how your dressed, if your female and your skin colour for the treatment you receive from them. I was at a festival not too long ago and I caught a police man perving at all the skimpily dresses women around. I mean I know he's a man but have some bloody restraint and do your job.

But there are exceptions. There are some brilliant police officers out there just as there are good people in life. Unfortunately they are not necessarily going to be the ones who you end up with.

this, exactly this. When I got caught smoking weed the two police officers that handled us couldn't have been more sound. They were making jokes with us as we handed the weed over and they explained that no court would be needed and it wouldn't stay on records and stuff. They were just really cool about the whole situation as if it was no big deal, which it isn't. Let us keep our grinders and various other related objects, we even still had green in the grinder, no joke. Guy was a champion.

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Originally Posted by Atrocious

Don't they have tazers in Canada?

On the real though, cops are pussies these days. Fat ****ers too mostly. Coming from an exmilitary perspective, a cop should be able to run a mother****er down and whoop his ass. I dunno how they are in Canada but here where I'm at they're all lazy, out of shape, pompous bastards and I've never seen a one of 'em that could catch me.

If a dog was latching into your leg, wouldn't you try to get away from it? Just saying, self preservation and all that.

My issue with it isn't that the guy was obviously a burntout dumbass, I think the problom was that the dog wasn't the right choice here. Run him down, taze him, call for backup, **** do like Aurora said and batarang his ass! The guy didn't hurt anyone so really ain't right to **** him all up.

The police here are the exact same mate. It's a fitness test and drug test to get in (among others) and then after that nothing.

I don't understand why the dogs were there in the first place, dogs are only usually used for raids here really. I can't think of any other situation where they're needed except for drug searches.

GuitarBizarre · 02-02-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

this, exactly this. When I got caught smoking weed the two police officers that handled us couldn't have been more sound. They were making jokes with us as we handed the weed over and they explained that no court would be needed and it wouldn't stay on records and stuff. They were just really cool about the whole situation as if it was no big deal, which it isn't. Let us keep our grinders and various other related objects, we even still had green in the grinder, no joke. Guy was a champion.

The police here are the exact same mate. It's a fitness test and drug test to get in (among others) and then after that nothing.

I don't understand why the dogs were there in the first place, dogs are only usually used for raids here really. I can't think of any other situation where they're needed except for drug searches.

It says in the article that a dog team responded to the call. I'm guessing they were just the nearest officers.