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Old 06-18-2014, 01:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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There's one thing that always bothered me about the whole torture debate. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I support torture, but everybody seems to have bought the "Information gathered by torture is unreliable" line without really giving it much thought. I mean, John McCain was tortured by guys who I imagine hadn't been on the job for more than a decade or so, and probably didn't have any legitimate training, just on the job experience. You wouldn't hand a gas station attendant a scalpel, tell him to perform open heart surgery, and then proclaim surgery to be bunk just because he killed somebody would you? Who knows, perhaps with an apprenticeship under some creepy guy using techniques and learning acquired by generations of torturers before him a torturer might actually be able to get reliable information.

Again, not that I support torture, but it annoys me that people kind of sidestep the whole moral issue of whether or not they support it just by saying, "Well it doesn't work so I don't even really need to wrestle with the issue," and then declaring their moral superiority by being against it's use.
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