The appeal to pedophilia?

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 11-26-2011, 01:12 PM

Sexual repression as children, ie severe punishment for normal kiddy bodily curiosity.

lucifer_sam · 11-26-2011, 01:24 PM

Haha, bit slow on the uptake?

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captaincaptain · 11-26-2011, 01:26 PM

Very slow indeed.

Paedantic Basterd · 11-26-2011, 02:35 PM

I think SK's got a bit of a point. Hating these people isn't going to change them. We shouldn't support their interests by any means, but I think it would do much more good if we offered them psychological help to keep these urges in check.

s_k · 11-26-2011, 02:47 PM

^Breakthrough.
I was expecting to be called a complete nutter.
Thanks for actually reading what I meant to say. I know it may be a different vision, but I'm not a complete lunatic

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Psychological help isn't what I'm thinking of. Overhere it's usual to offer these people forced psychological help before they're allowed to leave jail after... loads of years. But still a lot of them go back to their old behaviour. I don't support ever reintroducing them to the public again. Please keep them behind shut doors, it's not worth the risk. But don't treat them like criminals. Because they're really very sad, sick, sorry people who didn't ask to be like they are either.

Paedantic Basterd · 11-26-2011, 02:56 PM

You seem under the assumption that all pedophiles act on their urges and harm children. I'm not saying none of them do, but there are many such people who either restrict their interests to imagery (which is still supporting a despicable system), or who refuse to satisfy their urges whatsoever.

I've spoken to someone who falls into the latter category. He was sexually attracted to children, yes, but didn't permit himself to be anywhere near them nor did he indulge in third party abuse (kiddie porn). He saw a therapist regularly to help him understand himself.

I'm not excusing the behaviour by any means, but there are people out there "afflicted" with pedophilia who understand the harm their sexual preference can have on children, and who (however creepy it is) love children too much to indulge themselves and bring harm to them.

I don't necessarily think we should lose sight of the fact that these are people. They need help, and monitoring. Every precaution should be taken to protect children, but that doesn't end with dehumanizing people.

That said, I am supportive of chemical castration. I don't consider it dehumanizing, because I think that most people should be chemically castrated anyhow.

s_k · 11-26-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

You seem under the assumption that all pedophiles act on their urges and harm children. I'm not saying none of them do, but there are many such people who either restrict their interests to imagery (which is still supporting a despicable system), or who refuse to satisfy their urges whatsoever.

Yes, to be honest, I've never seen the problem with that.
It obviously is an interest that shouldn't be encouraged, but if the pics already exist, how is it still wrong to look at them?
Please understand; I may miss something here, I'm not saying it ISN'T wrong, I just say I don't know what harm it can do.

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I've spoken to someone who falls into the latter category. He was sexually attracted to children, yes, but didn't permit himself to be anywhere near them nor did he indulge in third party abuse (kiddie porn). He saw a therapist regularly to help him understand himself.

That's a brave thing to do.
Then there's the difference between being attracted to children and actually keeping these kind of websites in the air by supporting them.
If that's the case, it is indeed a bad thing.

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I don't necessarily think we should lose sight of the fact that these are people. They need help, and monitoring. Every precaution should be taken to protect children, but that doesn't end with dehumanizing people.

Every human is one human. If it were up to me, the big criminals in this world like Bin Laden and Ghadaffi didn't HAVE to be killed. I know this was probably the only way, but I don't think they should be killed because of what they did. They should be stopped by any means with what they were doing and murder is obviuosly the safest way, as crazy as it may seem.

Whenever I say something like this, people often go "Well if it's like that no one is guilty of anything when it comes to you". And that is indeed the case.

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That said, I am supportive of chemical castration. I don't consider it dehumanizing, because I think that most people should be chemically castrated anyhow.

Haha, I am sometimes ashamed of men. Not saying I'm not one of them every now and then. But we sure follow our dicks sometimes...
I sometimes hear stories of my female friends, about their boyfriends that make me really sad. Even though I know they're good guys, they sure know how to hurt their girlfriend now and then. It's strange how relationships work. But err, offtopic

Paedantic Basterd · 11-26-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by s_k

Yes, to be honest, I've never seen the problem with that.
It obviously is an interest that shouldn't be encouraged, but if the pics already exist, how is it still wrong to look at them?
Please understand; I may miss something here, I'm not saying it ISN'T wrong, I just say I don't know what harm it can do.

In regards to this particular point, I think that viewing the images is A) fueling their own desires and therefore dangerous to their careful self-restraint, and B) encouraging a harmful industry. The cycle of abusive video and photography is fueled in part by demand. It's beneficial to reduce demand wherever possible.

s_k · 11-26-2011, 04:21 PM

A) Not sure, maybe if they can 'do is themselves' they'll stay away from the kids
B) If they are indeed encouraging a harmful industry by looking at these pictures, this should definitely be stopped. I wasn't sure if they were.
I mean, if I illegaly download music, I don't support any industry, right?

~~Farfisa~~ · 11-26-2011, 04:24 PM

I like cute, short chicks, but I don't think that makes me a pedo. I can't stand being around kids, way too damn loud sometimes. Well, anyway I think it has to do with kids being innocent (in terms of sexuality) and pedophiles like to take advantage of it (and get off on it). When I think about it, it makes me feel a bit ill. The fact that people find innocence to be attractive to the point of obsession.

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s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	^Breakthrough. I was expecting to be called a complete nutter. Thanks for actually reading what I meant to say. I know it may be a different vision, but I'm not a complete lunatic . Psychological help isn't what I'm thinking of. Overhere it's usual to offer these people forced psychological help before they're allowed to leave jail after... loads of years. But still a lot of them go back to their old behaviour. I don't support ever reintroducing them to the public again. Please keep them behind shut doors, it's not worth the risk. But don't treat them like criminals. Because they're really very sad, sick, sorry people who didn't ask to be like they are either. __________________ Click here to see my collection

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s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	A) Not sure, maybe if they can 'do is themselves' they'll stay away from the kids B) If they are indeed encouraging a harmful industry by looking at these pictures, this should definitely be stopped. I wasn't sure if they were. I mean, if I illegaly download music, I don't support any industry, right? __________________ Click here to see my collection

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~~Sansa Stark~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Eyrie, Vale of Arryn, Westeros Posts: 3,234	Sexual repression as children, ie severe punishment for normal kiddy bodily curiosity.

11-26-2011, 02:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I think SK's got a bit of a point. Hating these people isn't going to change them. We shouldn't support their interests by any means, but I think it would do much more good if we offered them psychological help to keep these urges in check.

11-26-2011, 02:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	You seem under the assumption that all pedophiles act on their urges and harm children. I'm not saying none of them do, but there are many such people who either restrict their interests to imagery (which is still supporting a despicable system), or who refuse to satisfy their urges whatsoever. I've spoken to someone who falls into the latter category. He was sexually attracted to children, yes, but didn't permit himself to be anywhere near them nor did he indulge in third party abuse (kiddie porn). He saw a therapist regularly to help him understand himself. I'm not excusing the behaviour by any means, but there are people out there "afflicted" with pedophilia who understand the harm their sexual preference can have on children, and who (however creepy it is) love children too much to indulge themselves and bring harm to them. I don't necessarily think we should lose sight of the fact that these are people. They need help, and monitoring. Every precaution should be taken to protect children, but that doesn't end with dehumanizing people. That said, I am supportive of chemical castration. I don't consider it dehumanizing, because I think that most people should be chemically castrated anyhow.

11-26-2011, 04:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	I like cute, short chicks, but I don't think that makes me a pedo. I can't stand being around kids, way too damn loud sometimes. Well, anyway I think it has to do with kids being innocent (in terms of sexuality) and pedophiles like to take advantage of it (and get off on it). When I think about it, it makes me feel a bit ill. The fact that people find innocence to be attractive to the point of obsession.