Alcoholism

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 05-11-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Exercising isn't another habit to you?

It can be with his addictive personality, sure it has positive benefits but that's why I stated it's only a temporarily solution. Lesser of two evils until he gets control of his addictive characteristics

And drinking, in your estimation, is equatable to exercise?

crukster · 05-11-2011, 12:21 PM

I would say its like a fish hook. The more you put the bait of booze in front of you, the more you chase after it.

I don't think drinking less would work, if you could just drink less you wouldn't really be facing the problem of reliance in the first place.

Personally speaking I didn't give a **** when I was on the juice. I would have one swig, **** it man have another swig why not.

Just saying ah alright one swig is enough today...eh...it never is enough. You awlays think, **** it man have another one.

You've really gotta tackle the problem of why you're saying **** it in the first place. Say **** the booze, if you've identified it as aggravating your problems, just go cold Turkey, stop. Thats the only way you're gonna get off it.

And instead of constantly looking back for the comfort of the bottle, instead of escaping, you've gotta tackle your problem.

Could be anything, maybe grief, maybe heartache, maybe lonliness, maybe you lost someone close to you. Or maybe your life is just a giant pile of ****, I dunno.

Well you've gotta put down the bottle and clean it up, you've gotta face ****

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 05-11-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crukster

I would say its like a fish hook. The more you put the bait of booze in front of you, the more you chase after it.

I don't think drinking less would work, if you could just drink less you wouldn't really be facing the problem of reliance in the first place.

Personally speaking I didn't give a **** when I was on the juice. I would have one swig, **** it man have another swig why not.

Just saying ah alright one swig is enough today...eh...it never is enough. You awlays think, **** it man have another one.

You've really gotta tackle the problem of why you're saying **** it in the first place. Say **** the booze, if you've identified it as aggravating your problems, just go cold Turkey, stop. Thats the only way you're gonna get off it.

And instead of constantly looking back for the comfort of the bottle, instead of escaping, you've gotta tackle your problem.

Could be anything, maybe grief, maybe heartache, maybe lonliness, maybe you lost someone close to you. Or maybe your life is just a giant pile of ****, I dunno.

Well you've gotta put down the bottle and clean it up, you've gotta face ****

This is truly the most lucid thing I've ever seen you post.

crukster · 05-11-2011, 12:27 PM

Lucid in what context

djchameleon · 05-11-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

And drinking, in your estimation, is equatable to exercise?

No, I'm just saying exercise is better because it's not doing your body harm in the same way that drinking is.

Exercise can become habit forming as well too is all that I'm saying with his addictive personality that he will need to work on through counseling

hip hop bunny hop · 05-11-2011, 07:05 PM

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No, I'm just saying exercise is better because it's not doing your body harm in the same way that drinking is.

Exercise can become habit forming as well too is all that I'm saying with his addictive personality that he will need to work on through counseling

I would hope Boozin doesn't view treatment options as either, or. Whether he wants to do AA, see a psychologist, try to tough it out personally, a combination or something else entirelly.... whatever works, works.

Guybrush · 05-11-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

Are you ****ing kidding me? Getting "control" over the habit by drinking less? When he already knows he has a serious problem and really needs to quit? What kind of ****ing logic is that? hip hop bunny hop's advice is good because exercise gives you endorphins, which will help him to stay positive in this long, hard road. It WILL give him self confidence and make him feel good about himself, how good is he going to feel if he just succumbs to another ****ing habit?! Jesus christ what the **** is wrong with you people that you endorse such ideas!

There's a perfectly good reason why alcoholics may want to reconsider a decision to quit cold turkey.

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia on alcohol withdrawal

As with similar substances with a sedative-hypnotic mechanism, such as barbiturates and benzodiazepines, withdrawal from alcohol dependence can be fatal if it is not properly managed.

Source >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol...hol_withdrawal

So depending on the severity of the addiction, quitting cold turkey could seriously damage health (delirium etc.) and even kill an alcoholic. Hence, quitting should be managed, preferably with the help of a doctor and severe alcoholics should manage their drinking (wean off) before quitting completely.

Neapolitan · 05-11-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

There's a perfectly good reason why alcoholics may want to reconsider a decision to quit cold turkey.

Source >> Alcoholism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So depending on the severity of the addiction, quitting cold turkey could seriously damage health (delirium etc.) and even kill an alcoholic. Hence, quitting should be managed, preferably with the help of a doctor and severe alcoholics should manage their drinking (wean off) before quitting completely.

You should also add

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Originally Posted by Alcohol detoxification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alcohol detoxification or 'detox' for alcoholics is an abrupt stop of alcohol drinking coupled with the substitution of drugs, such as benzodiazepines, that have similar effects to prevent alcohol withdrawal. Individuals who are only at risk of mild to moderate withdrawal symptoms can be detoxified as outpatients. Individuals at risk of a severe withdrawal syndrome as well as those who have significant or acute comorbid conditions are generally treated as inpatients. Detoxification does not actually treat alcoholism, and it is necessary to follow-up detoxification with an appropriate treatment program for alcohol dependence or abuse in order to reduce the risk of relapse.

CanwllCorfe · 05-11-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

Alcoholism is a huge problem in my family. My dad used to be one, I have 5 uncles who are (one has passed), and I think my brother Dan might be. I don't see him enough to know, because he lives in Harrisburg, but judging by what I saw at Christmas and the times we visited him, I'd say it's a definite possibility. My mom has a drinking problem, but I wouldn't say she's a full fledged alcoholic. She could be, but she's not as bad as my stepdad.

Forgot to add that I never took up drinking. I don't plan to. Not in a party context, not in a celebratory context, and obviously not by myself either. I'll stick with water. Perhaps soda, but I'd prefer water.

Lisnaholic · 05-11-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

Are you ****ing kidding me? Getting "control" over the habit by drinking less? When he already knows he has a serious problem and really needs to quit? What kind of ****ing logic is that? hip hop bunny hop's advice is good because exercise gives you endorphins, which will help him to stay positive in this long, hard road. It WILL give him self confidence and make him feel good about himself, how good is he going to feel if he just succumbs to another ****ing habit?! Jesus christ what the **** is wrong with you people that you endorse such ideas!

I don`t know why you are so outraged at the idea of replacing one habit with another. Some habits are bad, some are less bad, some are good. Anyone who can replace a bad habit with one that is less damaging is moving in the right direction and has a chance to feel some sense of progress. It builds up self-confidence and brings closer the goal of quitting altogether.

What is true is that anyone with a severe alcoholic problem needs more than the kind of self-help tricks that I mentioned: they need outside, professional help.

On this, at least, we can agree, Paloma :-

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hip hop bunny hop's advice is good because exercise gives you endorphins, which will help him to stay positive in this long, hard road.

05-11-2011, 12:21 PM	#72 (permalink)
crukster Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 181	I would say its like a fish hook. The more you put the bait of booze in front of you, the more you chase after it. I don't think drinking less would work, if you could just drink less you wouldn't really be facing the problem of reliance in the first place. Personally speaking I didn't give a ** when I was on the juice. I would have one swig, it man have another swig why not. Just saying ah alright one swig is enough today...eh...it never is enough. You awlays think, it man have another one. You've really gotta tackle the problem of why you're saying it in the first place. Say ** the booze, if you've identified it as aggravating your problems, just go cold Turkey, stop. Thats the only way you're gonna get off it. And instead of constantly looking back for the comfort of the bottle, instead of escaping, you've gotta tackle your problem. Could be anything, maybe grief, maybe heartache, maybe lonliness, maybe you lost someone close to you. Or maybe your life is just a giant pile of **, I dunno. Well you've gotta put down the bottle and clean it up, you've gotta face **

05-11-2011, 12:27 PM	#74 (permalink)
crukster Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 181	Lucid in what context