The Rest in Peace Thread (RIP)

[Frownland]

Ja homophobia in hip hop is a longstanding issue that, though dwindling, is ignored by some fans of classic artists. A lot of it does get flak though, things like Gil Scot's The Subject Was ***gots and Georgie Porgie seem to be universally decried from what I've seen.

We should take this information and do the respectable thing by gawking at DMX's addiction (to a poor person drug, no less) while his body's still warm.

[WWWP]

Originally Posted by jwb

give us your guess then pal... Don't be a pussy

Pssst.. it’s because he’s b***k, duh. It’s ok because his skin is dark, and there is certainly no nuance or historical context of homophobia in hip hop and Black culture. Its probably just because of the crack and the ghettos. And the Ebonics.

I love the smell of limp dicks in the morning.

[Marie Monday]

I'm very ignorant when it comes to hiphop, but:
- taking the bad with the good does not mean you're excusing or ignoring the bad. It just means that a lot of great art (especially of the past) happens to have bigotry issues, but that it would be a pity not to recognise and enjoy it in spite of that. You can condemn the bigoted aspect at the same time, and it's also important to distinguish between bigotry being adjacent or central to the art. The same thing applies to many old novels for instance and I bet that adi has enjoyed reading some of those in spite of their issues just like I have. I feel like people tend to be more critical of these issues in genres of art they don't like much.
- complaining that hiphop gets special treatment in writing off bigotry issues is just plain nonsense. Trollheart pointed to metal, and there are countless other white subcultures (many sports for instance) where the same applies. In fact, I feel like hiphop may even get criticised more harshly than other subcultures for its depiction of women and sexuality, from racist motives

[The Batlord]

Look there's definitely a double standard when it comes to criticising homophobia in hip hop and black culture but there's a reason. Part of it is certainly white people being afraid of calling out black people but just imagine the form it would take if white people as a whole did make it an issue to "re-educate" black people. I think instinctually white people, whether they are conscious of it or not, know it would just become a racist cultural pogrom against black people and so they just steer away from that to avoid a situation with no win state.

Is it perfect? No. But the reality of race relations means that it is what it is. And it's not like black people are dumb savages who aren't culturally advancing cause black people are incapable of seeing humanity in gay people. Just like plenty of conservative white people are better about this now than they were in the past.

[Marie Monday]

hm, idk but maybe there is a double standard I haven't noticed, like I said I don't know much about hiphop. If there is, then your take on it makes a lot of sense

[The Batlord]

I mean I don't know how Europe is but in America race relations are all tied in knots in any number of ways for obvious reasons and white people being scared of critisizing black people over cultural issues is one of them. That fear itself is complicated as I explained in my previous post cause there's real reasons for white people to see calling out a historically oppressed race as a minefield but yeah there's also homophobia that makes it less of a priority than it could be and a lack of a moral high ground that everyone but conservatives recognizes as basically unavigable. Conservatives not caring about any of this **** and just wanting to throw lightning bolts from on high to anyone not living up to their standards because they have no self awareness.

[jwb]

All I know is that anytime a rapper dies we mustn't miss the opportunity to scan their catalogue for any signs of problematic language so that we can retroactively chastise the deceased for their thoughtcrimes. Otherwise the bigots win.

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I mean I don't know how Europe is but in America race relations are all tied in knots in any number of ways for obvious reasons and white people being scared of critisizing black people over cultural issues is one of them. That fear itself is complicated as I explained in my previous post cause there's real reasons for white people to see calling out a historically oppressed race as a minefield but yeah there's also homophobia that makes it less of a priority than it could be and a lack of a moral high ground that everyone but conservatives recognizes as basically unavigable. Conservatives not caring about any of this **** and just wanting to throw lightning bolts from on high to anyone not living up to their standards because they have no self awareness.

America sure is more of a minefield when it comes to racism than Europe, but if I don't catch on to these things it's definitely also my naive whiteness

[jwb]

The funny part is that homophobia not being addressed in hip hop was a talking point you could've genuinely made 20 years ago when DMX was still big. It's not longer a valid talking point.

Homophobia in hip hop is talked about and discussed openly and the genre has seen a significant shift in the prevailing attitudes towards lgbt issues.

What is happening here is actually that someone who is not at all interested in hip hop or has any respect for it as an art form is hijacking a rappers death in order to scan lyrics from 20 years ago so he can make the tragedy about him and not the dead rapper. It's oppression olympics in its most naked and obnoxious form and I dont respect it for a second

If there was a God in heaven then DMX would still be alive and Adidas would have his internet access revoked by the shariah courts. Inshallah.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

America sure is more of a minefield when it comes to racism than Europe, but if I don't catch on to these things it's definitely also my naive whiteness

I guarantee if one of the main crimes of your colonialism was living right next to you'd feel it much harder. I don't know about Dutch imperialism but imagine if the people of the Congo were all living in Belgium. Belgium might feel a bit awkward about its race relations.