The Rest in Peace Thread (RIP)

[ando here]

Originally Posted by adidasss

^^ That's exactly how I imagine a crackhead sounding.

Did this guy ever walk back on this?





No mention of his blatant and damaging homophobia in the eulogies, not surprisingly.

Self hate is a mofo. But there it is. Hip Hop is full of this kind of ambivalence. No getting around it. Shirtless, buff, hormone raging young dudes talkin **** about gay sex? Come on. The appeal is simultaneously disgusting and compelling. Glad he did it.

[SGR]

With hip-hop, like ando said, you gotta take the bad with the good.In nature, much of hip hop is braggadocio and machismo. Black culture is a little frostier with homosexuality - and back then, especially so. You won't find these kind of slurs/references (homophobia, f* word) often in modern hip hop. It has evolved - and unfortunately our society is such that even a few decades ago, this kind of discrimination was widely accepted. Hip hop has and will progress.

That said, despite some of his homophobia, DMX was an incredibly great rapper. Many remember him for party songs, but his catalogue has a lot more than that. He was demonstrably a great rapper. I always saw a lot of Pac in him.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by ando here

Self hate is a mofo. But there it is. Hip Hop is full of this kind of ambivalence. No getting around it. Shirtless, buff, hormone raging young dudes talkin **** about gay sex? Come on. The appeal is simultaneously disgusting and compelling. Glad he did it.

Glad he did what, spread hate against gay/trans people? I'm not, obviously. There is no excuse for it.

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

With hip-hop, like ando said, you gotta take the bad with the good.In nature, much of hip hop is braggadocio and machismo. Black culture is a little frostier with homosexuality - and back then, especially so. You won't find these kind of slurs/references (homophobia, f* word) often in modern hip hop. It has evolved - and unfortunately our society is such that even a few decades ago, this kind of discrimination was widely accepted. Hip hop has and will progress.

That said, despite some of his homophobia, DMX was an incredibly great rapper. Many remember him for party songs, but his catalogue has a lot more than that. He was demonstrably a great rapper. I always saw a lot of Pac in him.

I won't regurgitate the same arguments I've already made here, but yeah, there are many problems in hip-hop that get written off as "part of the subculture". And I don't see why that's the case (maybe because I'm not an American). You don't have to take the bad with the good. You can be bothered by it, hold people accountable and listen to music you don't find problematic instead of overlooking stereotypes, prejudice and downright hate speech because it's "fun".

And as I keep saying, there core problem here is that there is a marked difference, still to this day and age, about how homophobia is treated and how racism is treated. Hopefully one day they will be equally condemned and people who have these kind of songs in their catalogue will be as condemned as racists are.

[Frownland]

AdidasSS back at it again. People are blase about homophobia and he's jealous af that his racism doesn't get the same pass.

[SGR]

Originally Posted by adidasss

Glad he did what, spread hate against gay/trans people? I'm not, obviously. There is no excuse for it.



I won't regurgitate the same arguments I've already made here, but yeah, there are many problems in hip-hop that get written off as "part of the subculture". And I don't see why that's the case (maybe because I'm not an American). You don't have to take the bad with the good. You can be bothered by it, hold people accountable and listen to music you don't find problematic instead of overlooking stereotypes, prejudice and downright hate speech because it's "fun".

And as I keep saying, there core problem here is that there is a marked difference, still to this day and age, about how homophobia is treated and how racism is treated. Hopefully one day they will be equally condemned and people who have these kind of songs in their catalogue will be as condemned as racists are.

Out of curiosity, are you a fan of hip hop? If so - who's your favorite rapper? I mean hell, I don't think even Common would pass your litmus test of approved lyrics.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

Out of curiosity, are you a fan of hip hop? If so - who's your favorite rapper? I mean hell, I don't think even Common would pass your litmus test of approved lyrics.

Not really, apart from the occasional song and a few Outkast albums.

[Trollheart]

What I know about hip-hop could be written on the back of a box of matches, without the box, but I mean come on: we get this everywhere. There are some metal songs/bands who are terribly homophobic/transphobic and (gasp) misogynist, but you can't censor people's right to sing about what they want to. A lot of the time it's just posture. A band or artist might sing "I hate [insert slur here]" but not believe it. I would expect it's probably only something to take seriously if they a) start putting that hate into practice (gay bashing/rape/child porno etc) or write about it elsewhere, or have it written in interviews like "hell yeah I hate [insert slur here] - should all be killed" etc.

In the end, they're entertainers and it's just music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but I can guarantee you there are people who listen to that and don't bother about the content, or believe there's any real earnestness about it.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

What I know about hip-hop could be written on the back of a box of matches, without the box, but I mean come on: we get this everywhere. There are some metal songs/bands who are terribly homophobic/transphobic and (gasp) misogynist, but you can't censor people's right to sing about what they want to. A lot of the time it's just posture. A band or artist might sing "I hate [insert slur here]" but not believe it. I would expect it's probably only something to take seriously if they a) start putting that hate into practice (gay bashing/rape/child porno etc) or write about it elsewhere, or have it written in interviews like "hell yeah I hate [insert slur here] - should all be killed" etc.

In the end, they're entertainers and it's just music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but I can guarantee you there are people who listen to that and don't bother about the content, or believe there's any real earnestness about it.

Not sure Adidas is telling anyone not to like it, just that Hip Hop has a problem with homophobia. And he's right.

Originally Posted by adidasss

I won't regurgitate the same arguments I've already made here, but yeah, there are many problems in hip-hop that get written off as "part of the subculture". And I don't see why that's the case (maybe because I'm not an American). You don't have to take the bad with the good. You can be bothered by it, hold people accountable and listen to music you don't find problematic instead of overlooking stereotypes, prejudice and downright hate speech because it's "fun".

And as I keep saying, there core problem here is that there is a marked difference, still to this day and age, about how homophobia is treated and how racism is treated. Hopefully one day they will be equally condemned and people who have these kind of songs in their catalogue will be as condemned as racists are.

I think I could have a good guess why.

[adidasss]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

What I know about hip-hop could be written on the back of a box of matches, without the box, but I mean come on: we get this everywhere. There are some metal songs/bands who are terribly homophobic/transphobic and (gasp) misogynist, but you can't censor people's right to sing about what they want to. A lot of the time it's just posture. A band or artist might sing "I hate [insert slur here]" but not believe it. I would expect it's probably only something to take seriously if they a) start putting that hate into practice (gay bashing/rape/child porno etc) or write about it elsewhere, or have it written in interviews like "hell yeah I hate [insert slur here] - should all be killed" etc.

In the end, they're entertainers and it's just music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it, but I can guarantee you there are people who listen to that and don't bother about the content, or believe there's any real earnestness about it.

Yeah, I think maybe what you don't understand is that songs like the one I posted actually contribute a lot to a hate culture which does indeed lead to gay bashing etc since they have the power to reach a huge (and sometimes impressionable) audience. They don't need to do the actual bashing themselves.

I have a definite problem with how this kind of thing is casually written off. It's a double standard and I don't think that should be the case.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Cuthbert

Not sure Adidas is telling anyone not to like it, just that Hip Hop has a problem with homophobia. And he's right.



I think I could have a good guess why.

give us your guess then pal... Don't be a pussy