The Science

djchameleon · 03-06-2011, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

I think perhaps you're going at this "bad guy" approach from the wrong angle...

However, nowhere in there does it say "insult the hell out of them and see how they respond". If you're intent on trying this, be aloof, be difficult, be uncaring, but don't be insulting. That will just get you slapped, and unless you already have a ridiculous amount of charm, you're not gonna be able to pull that one off.

One final thing to note is that if you are trying to be anything but yourself, it will be noticeable, on some level. If you're inherently a nice guy, and you're trying to pull off a "bad guy" approach, I'd be willing to bet it's gonna fall through almost entirely. Going against your character never works as well as just being yourself, even if you're just trying to get laid :P

I did leave out part but the whole throwing the neg thing is just a light insult and then I'm going to walk away.

I know the main thing about "bad boys" is that they clearly ignore the girls that like/chase them but I wanted to try throwing out a neg and then walking away. I'm not sure if it will have the desired results i'm looking for but I'm going to try it anyways.

Or maybe We could flirt with a one liner then completely walk away. Not even finish up/follow through with bothering to get their number. Also as I said earlier. I'm not doing this to get laid. I want to see reactions.

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

One final thing to note is that if you are trying to be anything but yourself, it will be noticeable, on some level. If you're inherently a nice guy, and you're trying to pull off a "bad guy" approach, I'd be willing to bet it's gonna fall through almost entirely. Going against your character never works as well as just being yourself, even if you're just trying to get laid :P

Confident guys pull it off all the time. They pretend to be someone completely different than they are and say that have professions/jobs that they don't even have and get laid with those lies.

Also another thing, part of the whole bad boy image is being an asshole. If you treat some women badly and be an asshole to them they love you more and you can't avoid them so I'm also testing that theory/myth out as well. Assholes that are cocky/confident tend to get all the women while being a douche bag.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 03-06-2011, 03:50 PM

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Arya Stark · 03-06-2011, 04:24 PM

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**Scarlett O'Hara** · 03-07-2011, 03:58 AM

That is such a common thing eh, stupid girls get pregnant then go back out to the clubs once the kids born. Great parenting skills.

djchameleon · 03-07-2011, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

That is such a common thing eh, stupid girls get pregnant then go back out to the clubs once the kids born. Great parenting skills.

are you speaking from experience?

~~Dirty~~ · 03-15-2011, 10:17 PM

I was reading advice online from Neil Strauss on openers. Shoulda read that article sooner. Last few weeks I've been meeting a lot of girls, getting a lot of numbers, and hooking up with a solid amount of girls. I have no problem talking to girls, I have a problem starting a conversation. Cause it feels so dumb to just introduce myself and give them a handshake. I don't know why, it just feels like they've probably had that happen 10 times already or something. So I've been just getting drunk, sitting my ass down at the bar and waiting for females to sit on either side of me. Then wait awhile and then ask "me and my friends have been arguing for a few days now, who lies more... men or women." So it's a question they are likely to go into detail about and of course they usually say men lie more. Then I say "really? see i think guys tell small lies like 'your ass looks great in that dress' and girls tell big lies like 'the kid isn't yours" Then the mood is loose and relaxed and and it's all good from there. Sometimes I'll also ask who is more flirty: men or women.

*shrug* all things good so far.

djchameleon · 03-16-2011, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips

Interesting ... I think those are cool questions to ask, but are you asking girls this right off the bat? I would think they'd be best asked later on in a conversation, it seems a bit strange for a guy to open a conversation with them in my opinion. Far better to just naturally introduce yourself, smile and act confidently. Eye contact especially... maybe I'm wrong, though!

No, Dirty is doing it right. If you want to start up a conversation. When you are trying to engage in some small talk it is always best to ask opinion type questions. if you ask a yes or no question that's all you get is a yes or no and then it becomes awkward as you scramble to find something to talk about.

Battle of the sex type questions are great to ask. I like to ask this simple one. it is similar to the lie one but it works just as well. I'm trying to figure how who cheats more women or men and of course they are going to go in a super wild rant about how men are dogs and cheat more but then I mention that women cheat as well and they are just slightly better at it. The way that some women cheat they usually have a back up to their back up plans so they can cover themselves way better. Men usually don't and that's how they end up getting caught so much.

djchameleon · 03-16-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips

I think the "right" way is any way that portrays your confidence and charisma. At the end of the day, what you say is no more important than the WAY you say it - and I say that from experience. Good body language and eye contact are half the battle.

If you can effectively get into a conversation with these 'battle of the sex' questions then cool. Whatever works, eh! I personally find it more natural to catch a girl's eye at a bar and smile - usually she'll say hi, and we can go from there.

Well if that works for you then okay but the whole winking/smiling...trying to get a girl's attention from across the room and hoping that she will come over to you thing. Never worked for me. Where is it that you go from there? What do you use as your small talk topics?

That's the point where conversation comes into play and I use those "battle of the sex" questions to strike up a conversation.

djchameleon · 03-16-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips

I don't mean smiling at someone from across the room, which is just weird for the most part. I'm just saying, if I'm in a bar or a club, the bar itself (while you're waiting to get served) is a great place to start talking to women. If you're next to someone, just smile and say hello...

small talk is just whatever comes to mind at the time. Depends on the environment - in a bar, you just get to know each other. Who's she with, where's she from, what does she do... simple questions, from which you can build on. As long as you're confident and you build rapport with her then chances as she'll be interested, especially (it has to be said) if she's drunk. I'm confident enough in my own ability to make conversation, that I don't need to use topics or ideas that I've planned ahead of time. If you've done it successfully enough times, you get used to how it's done. I'm not saying the topics are a bad idea, they could certainly start a good conversation. Just not my style, I guess.

The whole "who's she with? where's she from? what she does?" just seems boring like it's something every guy in the place does.

there seems to be three types

ones that use a cheesy pickup line to break the ice and attempt some sort of humor.

The ones like you that stick to the whole I'm confident and I will just go up introduce myself and go over the same old same old chit chat type questions. What do you do for a living? Where you are from? etc."

Then there are the types that have unique type questions that bring about more interesting conversations.

Each one has it's own merits and they tend to work for certain people so that's fine but it's just an observation that I have made.

MoonlitSunshine · 03-16-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitySlips

Asking a question like "which sex lies more" does not necessarily lead to a more interesting conversation, by any means. It's definitely a fun question to ask, I just wouldn't use it to break the ice ahead of something more "normal".

"You think we lie more? Naahh, definitely not! So where're you from anyway? Oh yeah? I don't think I've met anyone from there before! Hmm, where am I from? The Moon."

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~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	I was reading advice online from Neil Strauss on openers. Shoulda read that article sooner. Last few weeks I've been meeting a lot of girls, getting a lot of numbers, and hooking up with a solid amount of girls. I have no problem talking to girls, I have a problem starting a conversation. Cause it feels so dumb to just introduce myself and give them a handshake. I don't know why, it just feels like they've probably had that happen 10 times already or something. So I've been just getting drunk, sitting my ass down at the bar and waiting for females to sit on either side of me. Then wait awhile and then ask "me and my friends have been arguing for a few days now, who lies more... men or women." So it's a question they are likely to go into detail about and of course they usually say men lie more. Then I say "really? see i think guys tell small lies like 'your ass looks great in that dress' and girls tell big lies like 'the kid isn't yours" Then the mood is loose and relaxed and and it's all good from there. Sometimes I'll also ask who is more flirty: men or women. shrug all things good so far.