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Tommyrocker · 04-08-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LedZepStu

britian, yeah, we aid you. but we have hardly any power over world affairs.

Britain has immense power of world affairs, just because we don't burst into every country thats got oil and claim they've got weapons that could kill us all, doesn't mean we don't have power.

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Originally Posted by LedZepStu

all you need is love.

Yea...cept oxygen, and water, food, housing, sanitry products and money. If all you need is love then why don't you give me your house and money?

All_Nite_Dinah · 04-08-2005, 01:30 PM

I agree with you on the Britain statement. I think its funny that people think Britian is a weak country just because they don go around bombing third world nations for fun. Nad plenty of other countries have the resources to do what we do. China, Russia, japan, germany, France. But the fact is they dont because they acctually have some comprehension of the world around them and the consequences of their actions. Why would you even want to invade another country?

Tommyrocker · 04-08-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by All_Nite_Dinah

I agree with you on the Britain statement. I think its funny that people think Britian is a weak country just because they don go around bombing third world nations for fun. Nad plenty of other countries have the resources to do what we do. China, Russia, japan, germany, France. But the fact is they dont because they acctually have some comprehension of the world around them and the consequences of their actions. Why would you even want to invade another country?

Jeez.....someones actually agreed with me for once

In answer to your question, its usually either
LAND
MONEY
POWER
Well.....lets face it....money anyway.

hookers with machineguns · 04-08-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LedZepStu

you started that off by stating the obvious. but i do agree with you, politics is all about money. however im pretty sure people wave their flags at the thought of peace rather than for greed. patriotism comes into play at a time of need, surele we all know that. when backs are against the wall the pride steps up a notch and the flags come out. UN sanctions were not a threat- war however was. yes countries use weaponry for destruction but i think as you said previously, this destructions builds a better tomorrow. and i think america gets involved with all the conflicts because they are the only allied country that has the resources to do so. britian, yeah, we aid you. but we have hardly any power over world affairs- something you have in abundance. im with you in saying we should give peace a try. after all, all you need is love.

Often times, America does not get involved in the conflict, but instead instigates them, because of cultural/racial misunderstandings and the idea that the western way of life is the best way of life. But, I can think of a handful of issues where America and co. do not get involved enough (look at Africa- aids, famine, genocide, the list goes on). We can't simply neglect third-world countries as hopeless. Something needs to be done, and should have been done decades ago.
It's hard to 'give peace a chance' when there's so much turmoil. Al quada-esque spin-offs are in development, there is talk of Nazi-rejuvination in parts of eastern Europe, the Israel-Palestine chaos zone that has been going on for what seems like forever, terrorism in Russia, and genocide and famine in Africa. This is just an abbreviated list of the global problems, and certainly doesn't even touch all the major issues. One thing man has consistently demonstrated throughout history is that religious and social difference cannot simply be overcome, instead we resort to wars and play "good guy, bad guy" scenarios.

hookers with machineguns · 04-08-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommyrocker

Britain has immense power of world affairs, just because we don't burst into every country thats got oil and claim they've got weapons that could kill us all, doesn't mean we don't have power.

Yea...cept oxygen, and water, food, housing, sanitry products and money. If all you need is love then why don't you give me your house and money?

Well, Britain was the key player in the Iraq war besides the US. You've heard Tony Blair; he still feels the war was justified, regardless of the lack of WMDs.
I really hate hearing people bad mouth countries that didn't get involved in the war. Not all countries have an anti-war stance. They had an anti-Iraq war stance, because there wasn't a "clear and present danger" in their eyes, and they were right. There's no question that they sympathized with 9/11 and want to destroy Al Quada. These countries did the right thing to not get involved, but it is not to say they wouldn't get involved in something that HAD to be done.

Sneer · 04-08-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommyrocker

Britain has immense power of world affairs, just because we don't burst into every country thats got oil and claim they've got weapons that could kill us all, doesn't mean we don't have power.

Yea...cept oxygen, and water, food, housing, sanitry products and money. If all you need is love then why don't you give me your house and money?

ok i accept i was incorrect in saying britian has no world power. 4th largest economy and the 2nd most effective military isnt bad. "all you need is love" doesnt include the word "survive". i basically mean in terms of emotion, love is all you need (cue trumpet)

Tommyrocker · 04-08-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

I really hate hearing people bad mouth countries that didn't get involved in the war. Not all countries have an anti-war stance. They had an anti-Iraq war stance, because there wasn't a "clear and present danger" in their eyes, and they were right. There's no question that they sympathized with 9/11 and want to destroy Al Quada. These countries did the right thing to not get involved, but it is not to say they wouldn't get involved in something that HAD to be done.

i totally agree with this. congratulations on re-producing the old avatar btw

Sneer · 04-08-2005, 05:16 PM

call me paranoid here but i cant help thinking that "i hate people who bad mouth countries for not getting involved in the war" coment was directed partly at me. i didnt mouth the UK, im a proud brit. if anything id be prouder if we were not involved but thats just my anti-war stance for you.

hookers with machineguns · 04-08-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LedZepStu

call me paranoid here but i cant help thinking that "i hate people who bad mouth countries for not getting involved in the war" coment was directed partly at me. i didnt mouth the UK, im a proud brit. if anything id be prouder if we were not involved but thats just my anti-war stance for you.

Oh Stu man, I wasn't aiming at that you at all. It was just a general comment. Sorry for throwing you off there.

And yeah, I think Tony Blair was gonna follow GWB all the way, regardless of what it was. If GWB said, "hey let's get them evildoers in Iceland", Tony Blair would have been right there with him.

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Originally Posted by Tommyrocker

congratulations on re-producing the old avatar btw

yeh, thought i'd bring it back, ole school.

riseagainstrocks · 04-08-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by All_Nite_Dinah

I have no respect for our president, and would burn a picture of him in a heartbeat. Its funny how radical war activists were prior to the Iraq war. Burning copies of the quran, throwing away French wines and war medals, boycotting german goods. Yet if one pamphlet is burned people pout about it.

if you don't respect him thats fine, but respect the office he holds.

I was no a radical war activist, nor will i ever be. I am undecided still on the long term benefits/consequences of our actions and have yet to make up my mind

a pamhlet? where did that come from? i'm talking about life size statues.

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All_Nite_Dinah Not Impressed Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 741	I agree with you on the Britain statement. I think its funny that people think Britian is a weak country just because they don go around bombing third world nations for fun. Nad plenty of other countries have the resources to do what we do. China, Russia, japan, germany, France. But the fact is they dont because they acctually have some comprehension of the world around them and the consequences of their actions. Why would you even want to invade another country? __________________ If I cant dance I dont want to be part of your revolution. DEATH TO FALSE DUDES!

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Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	call me paranoid here but i cant help thinking that "i hate people who bad mouth countries for not getting involved in the war" coment was directed partly at me. i didnt mouth the UK, im a proud brit. if anything id be prouder if we were not involved but thats just my anti-war stance for you. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show