All_Nite_Dinah

Something needed to be done about what? You dont honsetly belive that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 do you? Even the white house admitted they didnt. They also admitted that they didnt have WMD. Granted there slaughter of kurds in pretty disgusting but you also have to realize it was the united states who gave them the money to do that to start with. Anyway its not like America dosnt poisen and kill our public on a daily basis.

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yes, the US funded it. but its now their duty to rectify it. are you saying because its their fault they should just leave it. regardless of whos fault it was it needed to be sorted. even if iraq or more specifically saddam hussain wasnt to do with 9/11, the atrocities of that day bought terrorism and the need to make earth a safer place to the forefront of everbodies minds. hussains tyranny was definetly an opposition and the killings and terror needed to be stopped. plus they was the whole humdrum of did iraq have biological weaponry- a possible threat to us. and this point of america poisoning our public, they dont do it literally if thats what your implying. bit different to what happened in iraq.

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the issue is more about why george bush after 9/11 letting binladen family leave the country in a private jet without so much as questioning them on his whereabouts, it's pretty disturbing how many links his family has with oil companys etc. but i'm not going to bore you with the whole thing

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jibber

Read "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger if you haven't already. All about Bush's relationship with the royal family of Saudi Arabia. Really really interesting read.

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The regime's "weaponry" was nonexistant, at least when UN inspectors arrived. But there's a bigger issue as to what they would do with those weapons- there's no proof now or then that they planned on aiding or contributing to terrorism.
Saddam was not much of a global threat in his dwindling days, he was to his own people for years, but in his latter days, he spent most of his time writing poetry and promoting hygene and frequent bathing. Not to say tyranny wasn't rampant within the regime.
But we can sit here all day going back and forth on whether Iraq war was appropriate. Either way, very few people point out that the war (whether necessary or not) was not a priority, long term nor short term. If we are fighting terrorism, we need to attack the core, not possibilities and secondary or tertiary contributors. The fact is, the "allied" forces had OBL and Taliban key players cornered, and decided to turn the other cheek and pay attention to Iraq, with a regime not any more dangerous than a handful of other governments. But terrorist groups are the big priority (because there are cells widespread throughout the East and West), not state governments- most governments, no matter how tyrannical, are not stupid enough to directly harbor or sponser terrorism.

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jibber

Thanks for pointing that out. No matter how many arguments you put foreward to justify the war in iraq, the fact remains that there will be a handful of other nations that are commiting more serious crimes or posing a more serious threat in terms of world terrorism.

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Yeah, we've all seen Fairenheit 9/11.
I'm almost certain that the bit on GWB allowing the BL family to leave the country is bullsh*t. You have to remember that Michael Moore eats, sleeps, and breathes liberal extremism. That documentary could have been presented with just the facts and the message would have been clear. If he rid of the corny and exaggerated liberal commentary, the documentary could have been *good*.
Either way, to suggest there's a strong link between the BL and B*sh families is far fetched if you ask me. To even say there's a strong link between the BL family and OBL himself is far fetched. It smells like just another typical conspiracy theory. Either way you look at it, GWB and OBL are mere pawns/puppets/figureheads to their respective "organizations". There existance and presence is more symbolic than anything; i.e. if they were to vanish, very little would change to the core.

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jibber

^ yeah, I have to call you on that. Bush allowing the BL family to leave the country is documented fact, it's appeared in other sources besides farenheit 911 (and for the record, I agree with you on Michael Moore, the guy's an embarrasment). What's more, your statement about Bin Laden being a mere figurehead is completely false. He is extremely active in Al Queda opperations, or at least was, now that he's hiding in caves he's probably not getting a lot of orders out.

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well there's no denying that GWB and OBL are indeed active in their respective roles. But, their very existance is not significant; ridding of GWB doesn't destroy the US government. Killing OBL doesnt destroy finish Al Qaeda. If I were to speculate on how they operate, I'm sure OBL is not their main coordinator as of now, and there are many others who "run the show" in different areas, kinda similar to how GWB works.
Of all the assertions made in Farenheit 911, the two I heard were false was that claim about the BL family being allowed to leave (now that I saw in an interview with the family members in question. documents were presented to show that no commercial or private planes were allowed to leave the US within that time period.) and there was some newspaper cut-and-pasting somewhere in the documentary as well.
Regardless, even if it were true, I understand why they would be allowed to go back home. If they were to stay in the US, that would be a death wish.

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wow this thread went way off course. But I kinda enjoy talking/hearing about this kinda stuff.

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