Is Man Inherently evil? (dance, hardcore, Religious, quote)

Sneer · 04-04-2005, 06:32 PM

the point is, is it "inherent", and i think it is seeing as it is our natural instincts.

jibber · 04-04-2005, 06:37 PM

yeah, but that's the problem I pointed out in my first post. It's impossible to label the entirety of our nature as good or evil, because our motives, emotions, and reasons are too complex to be lumped under one label. Maybe that argument could have been valid centuries ago, when our only purpose in life was to survive and reproduce, but we've evoloved as a society, and because of that, the standards by which we judge oursleves has to evolve as well. Our lives, emotions, and our instincts have become much more complex, so the simple black and white labels of good and evil just aren't adequate anymore.

covle · 04-05-2005, 12:59 AM

this is a bitch. anything said is a blanket statement and basically generalising. everybody has a different opinion of evil. to some i am evil as i am not religious. to others i am evil because i use paper, or animal products.
i do however agree with jib, it is our inhibitions, not our temptations that decrees our worth.
emochick your opponent is obviously going to call upon history, no doubt hitler, for his arguments. id suggest in studying up on this to counteract him.
i do not really use or trust the word evil, id say man as a race is selfish moreso than anything.

Sneer · 04-05-2005, 07:09 AM

i get your point and it is a very complex topic. but im saying if you look at it in its most basic form, the fact we have to actually repress these "evil" urges surely means our good behaviour isnt necessarily our natural behaviour. it would be a lot easier to be "evil" but we do not because we have a conscience. im basically repeating the same thing over and over again...i'll stop.

xEmochicKx · 04-07-2005, 10:53 PM

Update on my debate: He kicked my ****ing ass! He came up with the best arguments ever and i was jsut speechless. My teacher was like "Wow, Ally for once you have nothing to say." hahah. It was weird but the "judge" ended up siding with me (and my friend) even though we really sucked. Honestly i think it was cause he likes her. Meh at least i got good marks =)

Sneer · 04-08-2005, 06:45 AM

taught him everything he knows.

Waynegrow · 04-08-2005, 07:23 AM

We rape and pillage the land and our surroundings. I'd say we're Evil.

SaTaNsChIlD666 · 04-09-2005, 11:03 AM

indeed we do, indeed we are

lilbloodredridinghood · 04-09-2005, 12:07 PM

I agree with Waynegrow...Who isn't evil though, I mean come on. I was watching something on exorcisms and the priest said the kid that was 'possessed' called him a fat ass, now honestly...if "satans" best put downs are things such as "fat ass " then I have now dubbed myself better than satan himself.

Still evil though, of course, after all I'm only human

riseagainstrocks · 04-10-2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zealious

I side with Thomas Hobbes on this one.

do you agree that he was a genius? i think so but attending a liberal school this gets me into trouble

04-04-2005, 06:32 PM	#21 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	the point is, is it "inherent", and i think it is seeing as it is our natural instincts. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

04-04-2005, 06:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	yeah, but that's the problem I pointed out in my first post. It's impossible to label the entirety of our nature as good or evil, because our motives, emotions, and reasons are too complex to be lumped under one label. Maybe that argument could have been valid centuries ago, when our only purpose in life was to survive and reproduce, but we've evoloved as a society, and because of that, the standards by which we judge oursleves has to evolve as well. Our lives, emotions, and our instincts have become much more complex, so the simple black and white labels of good and evil just aren't adequate anymore. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

04-05-2005, 12:59 AM	#23 (permalink)
covle Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 334	this is a bitch. anything said is a blanket statement and basically generalising. everybody has a different opinion of evil. to some i am evil as i am not religious. to others i am evil because i use paper, or animal products. i do however agree with jib, it is our inhibitions, not our temptations that decrees our worth. emochick your opponent is obviously going to call upon history, no doubt hitler, for his arguments. id suggest in studying up on this to counteract him. i do not really use or trust the word evil, id say man as a race is selfish moreso than anything. __________________ LIVE.LOVE.BURN.DIE. whoa...i quoted atreyu, that means im hardcore. look how hardcore i am!! thats hardcore...XXX

04-05-2005, 07:09 AM	#24 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	i get your point and it is a very complex topic. but im saying if you look at it in its most basic form, the fact we have to actually repress these "evil" urges surely means our good behaviour isnt necessarily our natural behaviour. it would be a lot easier to be "evil" but we do not because we have a conscience. im basically repeating the same thing over and over again...i'll stop. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

04-08-2005, 06:45 AM	#26 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	taught him everything he knows. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

04-07-2005, 10:53 PM	#25 (permalink)
xEmochicKx Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 91	Update on my debate: He kicked my ****ing ass! He came up with the best arguments ever and i was jsut speechless. My teacher was like "Wow, Ally for once you have nothing to say." hahah. It was weird but the "judge" ended up siding with me (and my friend) even though we really sucked. Honestly i think it was cause he likes her. Meh at least i got good marks =)

04-08-2005, 07:23 AM	#27 (permalink)
Waynegrow Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 142	We rape and pillage the land and our surroundings. I'd say we're Evil.

04-09-2005, 11:03 AM	#28 (permalink)
SaTaNsChIlD666 IM COMING FOR YOU! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bottomless pit of self mutilation Posts: 269	indeed we do, indeed we are __________________ I'm a monster so don't walk my way. I'll drag you down & suck you dry. Don't laugh at my jokes- the punchline is murder. Don't enjoy my touch, every caress hides a chokehold. I'm only happy when I've ruined everything I see. Believe everything you've ever heard about me- suck it up. I will not lie about what I have done, I will not lie about what I will do to you, the sweat of my exertion is pure poison, I'm hell..---Lamb of God

04-09-2005, 12:07 PM	#29 (permalink)
lilbloodredridinghood Metal Maiden Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lake Bodom Posts: 144	I agree with Waynegrow...Who isn't evil though, I mean come on. I was watching something on exorcisms and the priest said the kid that was 'possessed' called him a fat ass, now honestly...if "satans" best put downs are things such as "fat ass " then I have now dubbed myself better than satan himself. Still evil though, of course, after all I'm only human __________________ You'll grow to loathe my name You'll hate me just the same You won't need your breath And soon you'll meet your death Not from the years, not from the use Not from the tears, just self abuse