Tiger Woods seems like a big exception though he had this squeaky clean image and hid it well for so long. Golf fans are unforgiving and they feel so gutted to learn that he's human and makes mistakes. I think some of it has to do with him being so good at the sport and while they finally got over the color of his skin he goes and pulls this shit

That could very well be...I think some level of forgivness has to be given. You cant deny his ability and talent for the game. Even if you dont like the sport you have to give some recognition for his accomplishments. It does require great skill to play the game effectivley. Regaurdless of his failures as a husband...I just cant condone all the critisism he endures from some bad choices.

I never cared about Tiger Woods. I've seen him in some bio doc and in an interview he was shooting his mouth off how great he was. OK, I know he worked to get where he's at, and that he knows is the best in the eyes of the world, but imo talent isn't something to brag about. I don't think once person reaches a certain level of skill that sets them apart from other, that gives a right boast or talk smack before a game.

Stevie Ray Vaughn had the right attitude imo, I remember a story where he was ticked that he got top billing on a marquee in big bold letters, and not (I think) B.B. King, and in short he made the venue change the marquee. It's those little things about famous people's personality that makes me a fan or not.

I have always liked Stevie Ray but even more so now after hearing that story.

Golf fans are mad cruel they don't care to forgive him one bit. I agree with you though give the man a break like seriously. We are all human and make mistakes.

Stevie was one of the most humble people ive ever seen. Which is really uncommon for someone with the amount of talent he had. That was just him and who he was..I still would have liked him if he was an @ss. Which he wasnt by any means that im aware of.

As far as being ****y and being a good athlete..im all for it. Do what you do and if nobodys good enough to match your talent and shut you up. Then they really cant say much. In sports competition I think being ****y is definatley a good thing. Im not really seeing a reason to be a ****y musician. There not beating each other up with guitars or anything. I dont know...to me its different.

I'm not in total disagreement with that. I can expect someone talking smack before a WWF match (not that I'm a fan), and it's slowly creeping into professional football, (they're more notorious for showboating after a play than pre-game-smack). But if Tiger wants to talk smack like a muhammad ali in front of a bunch guys wearing sweaters and plaid pants zipping around in golfcarts ... well it just doesn't impress me.

I use to think at one time, sports was combative competition one team against another, and music was cooperation where musicians jam together, that people who play sports are more competitive, and musicians are more cooperative, but I think otherwise now. You can find someone who acts like a ****y no matter where you go. Guitar players might not beat each other up with their guitars, but they might fight over what songs to do or the direction of the band, or a guitar player might not like the way the bass player plays etc. Band members can get on each other nerves, there can be an undercurrent of competition that isn't always so obvious. Music fans aren't so discrete, the can be like sports fans, they can be a little more brutal at times.

Lol..ive never heard Tiger talk smack but thats funny. Yeah intimidating other golfers with a tough guy act isnt impressive. But it does make me laugh. I dont take much serious..lifes to short to let people get to ya that easy. As far as football im a fanatic and always pull for the showboats. Thats just me..but theres a thread already covering all that in the sports section.

On a different note all together...last night I got a call about an old friend of mine passing away last weekend. His funeral is today and im not gonna be able to make it cause...well im in a tight spot right now and its hundreds of miles away. I do want to say that this man was close to being if not The Best Person ive ever had the honor of knowing. I feel I owe it to him to speak my peace even if it is to complete strangers who never knew him.

As a young punk kid in his late teens I found myself moving far away from home on a whim. The people were different and I immediatley kind of went crazy. So glad to finally be out on my own and away from my folks. One evening as me and another guy were headed back to the beer store..lol...we managed to somehow find the ditch before we got there. He bolted and I stayed. Around 7 or so that morning I hear a tap on the window and this man was standing there smiling. Seeing my Texas tags he proceeds to call me Tex without knowing my name or asking for it. Willingly just offereing help after he asks.."rough night Tex?" We exchange hello's and all that good stuff and try to pull my truck out. His 4 wheel drive wasnt enough truck to do the job so he leaves..and returns with his backhoe. After some time of rearranging the chains and pulling and tugging we manage to get it out. I offer the man all the money i had left from the night before...which was about 40 bucks. He would not hear of taking my money. Instead he told me to help out the next person I saw in need of the same kind of helping hand. Then he offered me a beer as he was already drinking himself.lol. He spotted my guitar and asked if I played. When I told him I like to think I try too..he invited me down to his house. Needless to say we became very good friends after that and his family kind of became my home away from home. I had never felt as welcomed and comfortable around anyone even from my home state as him and his family made me feel. He helped me many more times throughout my stay there and im always in debt to him.

The years eventually brought me back home but I would often go and visit him from time to time when I had the chance. He always loved to hear me play and sing and thats how I remember him. Funny he liked to wear cowboy boots and hats as I did not... He had cirrhosis of the liver the last two years and finally lost the battle last weekend. If I had to gues I would say he was in his mid 70's by now. I never knew he had the condition as ive been married..having kids..getting divorced. Im kind of glad in a way..I wouldnt want to have seen him sick....ill always remember the man behind the half drunk smile. Kind hearted and good spirited..always able to make me laugh and always willing to do whatever it took to help out anyone in need. This was TRULY one of the best men ive ever met. May he R.I.P. today when they put him to rest.

^^that's truly touching

neways about Tiger, I steer clear of him cos obviously he's a playa in a game of very small balls

Appreciate the kind words ^^