Why Friends Don't Support Friends

The Fascinating Turnip · 11-12-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Well, say someone is dead, like Vivaldi. I can still enjoy learning about him as a person to understand more about his inspirations and thoughts behind his music, very much wishing I could search for the human being he no longer is. But learning about him from a distance is all I can do, since he's dead.

For me, learning about a musician isn't an attempt to create a mythical entity but to find the human under the hype.

And I very much like to learn about living musicians...people who are friends or acquaintances...and see how their lives influence their music. That's why I'm one of the biggest fans, if not the biggest, of the Songwriter Section here on MB. I always try to encourage musicians I know, especially when their music moves me. Whether a person is famous (yet) or not makes no difference to me, UB.

I suppose I'm bound by my shortcomings.

VEGANGELICA · 11-12-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Unchained Ballad

I suppose I'm bound by my shortcomings.

Bah. I don't believe it. Shortcomings? What shortcomings?!

Bah.

My view is if there is something someone wishes to do differently or to learn, there is always hope...at least until he is dead. And you're not dead!

Also, no one ever knows the future for sure (other than the death part). So you never know how you might develop musically! Maybe your perception of shortcomings is exactly where you need to focus your attention to overcome them.

The Fascinating Turnip · 11-12-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Bah. I don't believe it. Shortcomings? What shortcomings?!

Bah.

My view is if there is something someone wishes to do differently or to learn, there is always hope...at least until he is dead. And you're not dead!

Also, no one ever knows the future for sure (other than the death part). So you never know how you might develop musically! Maybe your perception of shortcomings is exactly where you need to focus your attention to overcome them.

Well, I was talking about something like jealously or a small amount of self loathing keeping me from caring about other musicians once I'm sure they're more similar to me than I thought.

Necromancer · 11-12-2010, 07:52 PM

Speaking from a musical standpoint, I would think some of the reasons are because of jealously, their not really a true friend, or the friend they should be supporting is awful as a musician. I myself, still encourage untalented musicians because, of their love for music, and as their friend it is my obligation to encourage and support whatever valid endeaver they choose to pursue in life period.
Give them the patience and persistence to pursue their ambitions. Without financial support, many talented young musicians will not have the chance to follow their dreams and bring music to our ears. Its takes ongoing efforts to support and promote exceptional talent.

VEGANGELICA · 11-13-2010, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Unchained Ballad

Well, I was talking about something like jealously or a small amount of self loathing keeping me from caring about other musicians once I'm sure they're more similar to me than I thought.

Oh.

The Fascinating Turnip · 11-13-2010, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Conan

This is very true and is the reason I got out of producing. It's also the reason I've kind of stopped really producing my own music, because spending hours trying to perfect a chord progression's timing is just awful and makes me hate writing songs.

I mean there's still the enjoyment of creation, but I'd rather leave the tweaking and fine tuning to someone else.

Exactly, I quite hate having to perfect something, it makes the whole thing so technical, so boring. Much like when you analyse a poem formally.

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Oh.

:/

11-12-2010, 07:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Necromancer Divination Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,655	Speaking from a musical standpoint, I would think some of the reasons are because of jealously, their not really a true friend, or the friend they should be supporting is awful as a musician. I myself, still encourage untalented musicians because, of their love for music, and as their friend it is my obligation to encourage and support whatever valid endeaver they choose to pursue in life period. Give them the patience and persistence to pursue their ambitions. Without financial support, many talented young musicians will not have the chance to follow their dreams and bring music to our ears. Its takes ongoing efforts to support and promote exceptional talent.