Edumuhcation (country, Atmosphere, Europe, member, memories)

hookers with machineguns · 03-16-2005, 12:34 PM

I realize a lot of you are in high school. My memories of high school are nothing but a blur of social ups and downs. Sadly, It didn't have much educational impact on me; I didn't have good teachers, classes were disengaging, and the learning atmosphere was disturbed.
Higher education is a step better, but most of the classes I have taken as an undergrad go over my head. Most of the material is taught in a manner so you remember it for an examination, then forget it the following semester. For me, the course that stuck with me is Medicinal Chemistry, the study of drugs and their biological activity. I dunno why, but it was taught in a manner that made learning the primary goal, not obtaining a grade.
So, was their a class that impacted you in a big way? Something you really got out from it and still remember today. I hope not everyone says sociology and phsycology classes.
Also, I've been told that most of Europe seems to have a better lower-level education program than the U.S. What is the US doing differently and what can be improved?

(BTW, I'm fully aware that most of you probably dont give a f*ck)

Sweet Jane · 03-16-2005, 06:36 PM

I don't know what the US is doing differently in education because I don't know anything about your education system at a lower level. You'll have to enlighten me on that one to get any kind of discussion going.

School was.... an awful experience, basically. I liked the innocence of it all, but I hated the uniforms (actually thats one difference I seem to have noted, we pretty much always wear uniforms, its more of a discipline thing and helps to spot intruders coming in to cause trouble) and the silly rules, your entire day being decided by a bell.
Class-wise though, english and languages obviously teach you something. Sure, you don't remember it all, and some of it becomes irrelevant, such as learning how to talk about your school, but some of the fundamentals stick with you, and its much easier to pick up the language when you travel than if you were a complete beginner. I always loved english, and modern studies, which was basically talking about politics and what was going on in the news so obviously relevant to everything. History, and little snippets of geography and biology remain with you, and who wouldn't want to understand anything about their own body or the world in which they live? I find anything with rules that I had to make a concsious effort to 'learn' rather than finding i understood leaves your head right after the exam - most of maths, chemistry is all gone now, though I am one of those people who hates sums and prefers writing so maybe that opinion is only personal to me. I dislike everything for which you can't think for yourself, there is only one right answer and that is the word of the maths Gods. Bah.

Anarchy doll · 03-16-2005, 07:29 PM

i dunno, but here in Canada, the education is supposed to be "fun learning"
whatever, from what I remember of high school is not attending and drinking and smoking pot most of the time...
I think that Roger Waters said it best" we don't need no thought control"

All_Nite_Dinah · 03-16-2005, 08:35 PM

I've obtained much of my true education through talking to teachers or spending time in the library rather than doing worksheets. I think part of high school is really one of those things that your willingness to learn truley influences what youll get out of the experience. When it comes to some subjects I want to know everything possible so I wont stop at doing a worksheet or reading a chapter. I will talk to a teacher about the subject and see if they have any more information. No one class has ever stood out for me, just a few teachers have helped me with what I belive is true education. Its alot more than an IQ number or a report card.

blackTshirt · 03-17-2005, 01:48 AM

well in this part of europe i live in, the educational system is basically based on memory... they make us memorize all that sh*t they want us to reproduce and from this matter, it's not that good.
i agree about the english and forreign languages classes, those are the most important things you learn in school. and though i'm not the best in math, it really makes your brain work "faster", if you really wanna do it.

maybe it has nothing to do with what you wanted to say, but the bad part of highschool must be the popularity sh*t. kids are desperate to copy and imitate. school has its bad parts except from those we whine about everyday (like the fact that i have to leave to school at 12:30 or 1:30 pm and come home at 7:30 in the evening so my hole day is ruined; or the fact that we - the kids in my school- cannot choose our optional like any other school in my country should; 7 classes a day sounds too much for me... it's just exhausting; blah blah blah) i hate that everyone in my class only wants to get a good grade without trying to really learn something, something that could really help them in life... i mean maybe i don't do it either but at least i don't ask for good grades if i don't deserve them.

so something i remember from my past years? i remember my biology teacher teaching us anatomy. thats' one interesting subject. i used to get help from my parents (which are both doctors) then go to school and surprise everyone because i hadn't memorise it all but really understood something

covle · 03-17-2005, 03:59 AM

highschool was a blast for me. and i had three really good teachers. four actually, but i didnt go to maths in the second semester for that teacher. i couldnt do maths. its not that it was too hard, i just couldnt be bothered. so i graduated with 5 classes instead of six. the best teachers i had were the ones that gave you space. i have learnt a lot about the environment and "outdoor education" from the teacher because he was passionate about the environment, but he understood that if you didnt want to do it then your not going to. we didnt have to go to classes if we didnt want too. the other teacher was more of a lecturer. best english teacher i ever had. she would talk all class and if you payed attention youd get a ****load of notes. if you wanted to sleep she let you. if you wanted to walk out she wouldnt say anything. in victoria we have a system where at the end of year twelve you get an "E.N.T.E.R." score. each class is out of 50. 20 is a pass, and over 40 you get in the paper. for both the classes i had had with these teachers i got in the paper. every person learns differently. some prefer strict teachers with straight work, no discussion. just depends on what each individual prefers.

ladyluckrules · 03-20-2005, 05:49 PM

I'm going to remember art, definitely, not because we have a particularly great teacher just because i love love the subject. And yes i totally agree uniforms just really p!ss me off, and when the hell am i going 2 use symmetry or parrallel lines in my everyday life?? Maths is just the biggest waste of time

03-16-2005, 12:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	Edumuhcation I realize a lot of you are in high school. My memories of high school are nothing but a blur of social ups and downs. Sadly, It didn't have much educational impact on me; I didn't have good teachers, classes were disengaging, and the learning atmosphere was disturbed. Higher education is a step better, but most of the classes I have taken as an undergrad go over my head. Most of the material is taught in a manner so you remember it for an examination, then forget it the following semester. For me, the course that stuck with me is Medicinal Chemistry, the study of drugs and their biological activity. I dunno why, but it was taught in a manner that made learning the primary goal, not obtaining a grade. So, was their a class that impacted you in a big way? Something you really got out from it and still remember today. I hope not everyone says sociology and phsycology classes. Also, I've been told that most of Europe seems to have a better lower-level education program than the U.S. What is the US doing differently and what can be improved? (BTW, I'm fully aware that most of you probably dont give a fck) __________________ LASTFM*

03-16-2005, 06:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sweet Jane Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 547	I don't know what the US is doing differently in education because I don't know anything about your education system at a lower level. You'll have to enlighten me on that one to get any kind of discussion going. School was.... an awful experience, basically. I liked the innocence of it all, but I hated the uniforms (actually thats one difference I seem to have noted, we pretty much always wear uniforms, its more of a discipline thing and helps to spot intruders coming in to cause trouble) and the silly rules, your entire day being decided by a bell. Class-wise though, english and languages obviously teach you something. Sure, you don't remember it all, and some of it becomes irrelevant, such as learning how to talk about your school, but some of the fundamentals stick with you, and its much easier to pick up the language when you travel than if you were a complete beginner. I always loved english, and modern studies, which was basically talking about politics and what was going on in the news so obviously relevant to everything. History, and little snippets of geography and biology remain with you, and who wouldn't want to understand anything about their own body or the world in which they live? I find anything with rules that I had to make a concsious effort to 'learn' rather than finding i understood leaves your head right after the exam - most of maths, chemistry is all gone now, though I am one of those people who hates sums and prefers writing so maybe that opinion is only personal to me. I dislike everything for which you can't think for yourself, there is only one right answer and that is the word of the maths Gods. Bah. __________________ Calvin: "Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?" Hobbes: "I'm not sure that man needs the help."

03-16-2005, 08:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
All_Nite_Dinah Not Impressed Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 741	I've obtained much of my true education through talking to teachers or spending time in the library rather than doing worksheets. I think part of high school is really one of those things that your willingness to learn truley influences what youll get out of the experience. When it comes to some subjects I want to know everything possible so I wont stop at doing a worksheet or reading a chapter. I will talk to a teacher about the subject and see if they have any more information. No one class has ever stood out for me, just a few teachers have helped me with what I belive is true education. Its alot more than an IQ number or a report card. __________________ If I cant dance I dont want to be part of your revolution. DEATH TO FALSE DUDES!

03-17-2005, 01:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
blackTshirt The Randomness Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: romania.. shut up Posts: 854	well in this part of europe i live in, the educational system is basically based on memory... they make us memorize all that sht they want us to reproduce and from this matter, it's not that good. i agree about the english and forreign languages classes, those are the most important things you learn in school. and though i'm not the best in math, it really makes your brain work "faster", if you really wanna do it. maybe it has nothing to do with what you wanted to say, but the bad part of highschool must be the popularity sht. kids are desperate to copy and imitate. school has its bad parts except from those we whine about everyday (like the fact that i have to leave to school at 12:30 or 1:30 pm and come home at 7:30 in the evening so my hole day is ruined; or the fact that we - the kids in my school- cannot choose our optional like any other school in my country should; 7 classes a day sounds too much for me... it's just exhausting; blah blah blah) i hate that everyone in my class only wants to get a good grade without trying to really learn something, something that could really help them in life... i mean maybe i don't do it either but at least i don't ask for good grades if i don't deserve them. so something i remember from my past years? i remember my biology teacher teaching us anatomy. thats' one interesting subject. i used to get help from my parents (which are both doctors) then go to school and surprise everyone because i hadn't memorise it all but really understood something __________________ My rims never spin, to the contrary You'll find that they're quite stationary.

03-17-2005, 03:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
covle Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 334	highschool was a blast for me. and i had three really good teachers. four actually, but i didnt go to maths in the second semester for that teacher. i couldnt do maths. its not that it was too hard, i just couldnt be bothered. so i graduated with 5 classes instead of six. the best teachers i had were the ones that gave you space. i have learnt a lot about the environment and "outdoor education" from the teacher because he was passionate about the environment, but he understood that if you didnt want to do it then your not going to. we didnt have to go to classes if we didnt want too. the other teacher was more of a lecturer. best english teacher i ever had. she would talk all class and if you payed attention youd get a ****load of notes. if you wanted to sleep she let you. if you wanted to walk out she wouldnt say anything. in victoria we have a system where at the end of year twelve you get an "E.N.T.E.R." score. each class is out of 50. 20 is a pass, and over 40 you get in the paper. for both the classes i had had with these teachers i got in the paper. every person learns differently. some prefer strict teachers with straight work, no discussion. just depends on what each individual prefers. __________________ LIVE.LOVE.BURN.DIE. whoa...i quoted atreyu, that means im hardcore. look how hardcore i am!! thats hardcore...XXX

03-16-2005, 07:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Anarchy doll punk rock mommy Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in my mind Posts: 660	i dunno, but here in Canada, the education is supposed to be "fun learning" whatever, from what I remember of high school is not attending and drinking and smoking pot most of the time... I think that Roger Waters said it best" we don't need no thought control"

03-20-2005, 05:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
ladyluckrules D: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: England Posts: 507	I'm going to remember art, definitely, not because we have a particularly great teacher just because i love love the subject. And yes i totally agree uniforms just really p!ss me off, and when the hell am i going 2 use symmetry or parrallel lines in my everyday life?? Maths is just the biggest waste of time __________________ AHOY SAILOR