She did actually improve a lot though! I think through the episodes and seasons I grew to like her more and more :)

Well maybe I'm not? But I guess everyone can be when they want to be right? ;)

Thats true. I know I am when people wake me up in the morning. My family know just to avoid my room from about 7-9, as those are my chaos hours of the morning :laughing:

Right, so avoid elle from 7-9a.m. ... check, lol. I'll make sure I make a note of that :laughing:

Excellent. Just in case I ever come visit you in Trinidad, you should know those times are officially my freak out times :D

Hahaha, exactly why I'm making a note of it ;)

Expect me soon, Trinidad weather is looking soooo good right now :D

The best characters changed from season to season. Alot of the actors on the show I feel matured during its run as well so it's hard to say for definite. No one character was the best character consistently for ten years.

When friends started - Chandler > Joey > Phoebe > Rachel > Monica > Ross.

By the time had Friends had finished - Joey > Rachel > Ross > Chandler > Phoebe > Monica.

Joey was the most consistent for me, Ross and Rachel were the most improved, especially with the comedy but Chandler at his best (first six or seven seasons before the character became a bore) was better than any of the other characters at their best.

Chandler for sure!

Maurice the monkey.

he's the only character that recognized that about a half season worth of shows is about the epitome of what the average viewer can stand.

The average viewer? Of one of the most successful and watched TV shows of all time?

Edit: Or are you referring to the length of seasons? I'm unsure what your point was. :p:

^ a bit of both. was it really one of the most watched tv shows because it was good or because it was always connected to either Seinfeld or Frasier when it was broadcast?

i think that's why most people watched. it was just there, let's see what these wannabe yuppies are going to do this week before we get to laugh at Kramer's shenanigans or whatever Niles will undoubtedly stress over.

really though, what are some of the classic Friends episodes? what are some of the story arcs that permeated pop culture? where's their Yadda Yadda Yadda? their Soup Nazi? their rules about casual sex? their bro/manssiere? shrinkage? SHRINKAGE!!!

i'm really starting to think that Seinfeld wasn't the actual show about 'nothing' on NBC back in the day, it was Friends - Friends was about nothing, and if you try to watch more than about a half season's worth within a week it becomes painfully apparent (my friend's wife could not stop running those dvds endlessly a couple of years ago).

I think where i dont understand your argument though is where you seem to be suggesting that the "average" viewer couldn't stomach more than half a season of the show before they got sick or bored. That really cannot be true, not given how hugely successful it was.

It's the same with Seinfeld (in the States at least) and the likes of The Simpsons. Whether a person likes these shows or not, it would be incorrect to assume that the typical or average viewer shared their opinion because the ratings show how many people are tuning in each week and have been doing so for years.

Also it would be foolish of me to comment on whether Friends picked up an audience in the States on the back of other, established prime time shows or not. It would be foolish of me because i don't live there so what do i know? But it seems to me that this is often how American TV networks, NBC especially, do it. They often test a show in a poorer time slot and if it does well they move it to a better, more stable slot and somewhere within this process it may be paired with one of these established shows to run either just before it or just after it to help it a long the way.

This is exactly what happened with Seinfeld. Larry David has described it as being "Cheers' little brother" when Seinfeld was paired with Cheers as that show was nearing the end of its run and ultimately Seinfeld performed well in that slot and took it over when Cheers ended. If Friends did gain viewers off the back of another show then i would say that this could just as easily be because a lot of people were first introduced to it this way, not because it was a weak show but they forgot to turn the TV off or something and upped the ratings.

Phoebe!!

How is Pheobe beating Rachel? Seriously? I always thought Rachel was like every guys dream girlfriend.

Chandler, by far.

Yeah I voted Chandler, could he be any more hilarious?

:laughing: i think you mean

could he BE any more hilarious??

i can never decide whos my favourite. It's the whole friends dynamic that makes it awesome.


:finger: to your poll

Dude monica is my dream she's a kinky ho

Rach 0
Phoebe 3

That's an absolute outrage.

i think i was getting stoned and rambling. i still think the majority of the initial success Friends enjoyed was directly related to its proximity to much stronger shows. had it been aired on a Tuesday night instead of Thursdays between Fraiser and Seinfeld it would have ended up like Boston Common. remember that one?

if it hadn't enjoyed being the meat in the sandwich between the two biggest sitcoms on tv at the time i really don't think Friends would have survived past its second season. you're right that it's how network's operate, it's only sensible to test out a similar product in association with similar established products.

i'm just remembering being a teenager here (and puffing hahah) but still... i recall people paying attention for a bit and then, that was it, it was 'that' show that you had on, while you waited for Seinfeld to start. whether or not people at home were paying attention or just leaving the tv on doesn't actually change the program's ratings. every now and then there was a funny bit that was worth noticing. though for the most part it seemed to be about wannabe yuppies.

Why the fuck do people like Phoebe? She's so goddamn annoying.

Rachel is my least favorite character on the show, she's just so bland.

Phoebe's not that bad. Sure, shes no Chandler, but I definitely prefer her to Monica. Monica's just... grrr.

Fixed for you :thumb:

I think I'm biased towards Monica because of her relationship with Chandler. So to me she gets cool points for being with him :) lol

I guess in your case, you'd want to kill her for him :p:

Gunther is a unsung hero. :bowdown:

Not really for that, but its partly a factor. But I dont see how we could relate if she was a real life person and shes not particularly funny or anything. But yes, she is also with Chandler :mad:

^ Love that guy :laughing: I've always been a fan of Mr. Heckles, even after he died :(

Gunther's weird crush on Rachel was always great. Mr. Heckles was tragic, I try and forget about it to be honest.

Monica p*ssed me off.
She only got with Chandler because she wanted Joey to give her a seeing to but he wasn't in. Never quite forgiven her for that.

Whose fault was it? Ross' or Rachel's fault

Should Ross have gotten so ancy, or should he have chilled the f*ck out?
Or was Rachel totally out of line, it was obvious Mark wanted her, and Rachel didn't 'get' Ross' frustrations.
Was Monica right - "Let's say he does want to sleep with her, does that mean he gets to? Don't you trust her? Grow up."

I feel like Ross was right, and they WERE on a break. So doing copy girl was completely fine IMO.

It's a grey area for me but I've always decided I'd side with Ross. I mean he wouldn't intentionally cheat on her if they were still together. Yeah they were on a break and she invited Mark over.

Shit happens.

Is it just me or did Lisa Kurdrow get ugly really, really fast? Shes actually kinda hawt in the OP...

Yeah... she deteriorated. Kinda sad really

Most males have been in that jealous position, you trust your girlfriend but you don't trust that sex pest waiting for you to slip up so they can get in there. Ross was right, she was the one who said let's take a break, Ross said let's get some frozen yoghurt (lolwut) and cool off.

And she said, no... a break from us.

Ross was right, he even said that isn't me, I don't cheat.

She was always older than the rest, playing a much younger girl... so yeah.

More reason not to like Monica then...

Wait, what season is this?

My sentiments exactly.

This is off topic but, (At CunningStunt) I realized we joined MB around the same time, yet you have over 3000 more posts than me. The fuck?

I'm thinking season 4? Someone could correct me if I'm wrong.

I work in an office, this place gets me through the working day. :laughing: only explanation for it really.

And it's a well known fact post count = penis.

I just thought I had shit in my eye for a second but you really do have nearly 4000posts. Good job mate, lol

Hmm... I've seen hundreds of episodes of Friends but Mark just isnt really there. I've been borrowing the full seasons from a friend for the last few weeks but I'm only up to Season 3 and Mark isnt in them yet.

Mark is end of season 4, when Rachel started at Bloomingdales.

He offered her the job when she was doing that sh*t job, and he started to laugh at him in Monica's cafe place, and she said is my life amusing to you?

Mark's one of the guy she used to work with. Oh I'll correct myself, it's season 3! You're gonna see some action pretty soon :D