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View Poll Results: would you sell-out?
Money, fame, supermodels? **** yeah I would. sign me up 7 21.21%
No, my band would try and make it on our own. Never selling out 10 30.30%
LOL@artistic integrity.Only reason I'd wannna be a rockstar is for money and sex 2 6.06%
Dont need models and limos; I'm happy with hookers and taxi cabs 6 18.18%
Yeah I would..but i'd probably get depressed and start a drug habit 8 24.24%
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:09 AM   #61 (permalink)
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What's the point? Why be a musician if you have no desire, no passion to play music? What about in 200 years time when everyone's dead and gone, and no-one remembers you. If you sold out your basic values and ideals, is anyone gonna pick up your piece of crap record, or mp3 even, and listen? Probably not. Because what's popular right now, is dated. Whereas your vision, is timeless. Maybe it's crap, granted, could be timeless crap. But that's all perspective. Make something you wish to be heard, then whoever listens to it and understands, that's the measure of your success. That will be your own unique contribution to Humanity and the Universe.

Granted that trend is true. But those things were simply deviations from mainstream. Indie arguably, could have had the best of all genres under it's banner, and created a mainstream that isn't full of crap, but full of musical skill and accomplishment.
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top - why does social recognition matter to your desire or ability to play music? you're still talking about being physically celebrated - not unlike the focus of a sellout. everything you're posting here still revolves around attention - you're talking about writing something you wish to be heard while advocating avoiding the simplest and most effective ways of accomplishing that goal.

it's not like Elvis Presley wrote most of his material, not unlike Frank Sinatra, Celine Dion, or Miley Cyrus... they're all dirty sellouts after all, no?


what's the point of writing songs, practicing sets, playing your local dive bar, recording a demo in your basement, and otherwise making a go of playing music for a living if you're not going to try to be successful with it? why waste your time writing formulaic songs if you're not willing to go commercial? why not find an artistic outlet that provides solace for your soul that doesn't involve taking up space and attention away from people honestly trying to make a living with their music? if you don't have a drive for success, why get in their way?

that's really my big beef with most DIY and fringe musicians, they all act like their poop smells SO much better than the sellouts while still trying to divert as much mainstream attention to their 'message' *cough*themselves*cough* as possible but it's 'ok' because they're being indirect about it.

and yes i'm a pretentious ass who thinks his music was more 'pure' than most other independent stuff due to our complete lack of effort in crafting any sort of traditional song or following any sort of typical commercial path - we just played the music we wanted to hear, we were musicians, not entertainers - screw the audience.


bottom - so exactly how did Indie propose to be an umbrella for the best of all sub genres any differently than when Alternative proposed to do the exact same? (see Alt-rock, Alt-country, Alt-jazz, Alt-techno, Alt-Alt, etc.)
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That's a higher degree of selling out. You can sell out without having your music on adverts and stuff, regardless of whether you agree with it. There really is no middle ground option for me, you either sell out or you don't. I think most people would if they knew the right formula, if there even is a formula.
let me ask you this is it really selling out if its something you agree with?
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let me ask you this is it really selling out if its something you agree with?
did Nickelback ever try to be anything besides chart topping formulaic arena rock? did they not agree to try being the biggest rock band on the planet?
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let me ask you this is it really selling out if its something you agree with?
No, it's a c*nts trick. But I'd do it.. one big pay off for making a shitty album. There'd be no going back though. Once you've done it, you've already lost the respect. I really don't agree with it, but like most people who don't agree with it - you'd still do it.
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No, it's a c*nts trick. But I'd do it.. one big pay off for making a shitty album. There'd be no going back though. Once you've done it, you've already lost the respect. I really don't agree with it, but like most people who don't agree with it - you'd still do it.
Radiohead still seems to get respect...
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Radiohead didn't sell out though. In terms of their actual music, the standard of music they've produced has been good. Even if you're not necessarily a fan, they make good music. It's a shame their fans are such annoying twats.
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i don't think you understood what i meant...

what i'm talking about is just doing a few commercials/etc...

like if dr. pepper asked me to do a commercial i'd probably say yes i like the soda, if marbolo asked me tot (ignore the fact i'm 16 for this example) i wouldn't do it cause i don't believe in cigarettes and i don't want to promtote them.

but for the most part i'd like my songs in non-profit-organiztional commercial i wouldn't gett much money if any at all but it'd still be cool

another thing, not everything is just black or white, there's always a middleground even if you're too ignorant to see one
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Oh, I think that's another level of selling out. Just using your music in any way you can to get a few $$$.

When I think of selling out, I think of the actual changing your style, changing your beliefs and changing the music to suit a more mainstream audience. Even though there's no certainty it'd work.

As far as adverts go, I don't agree with. Hearing a song you used to like on an advert thus annoying the f*ck out of everyone is never good, but I think if everyone was offered and needed/wanted a bit of money they'd sell their beliefs down the river. I hate cigarettes but if I had a song and they were willing to pay big money to use it, I'd probably let them. And then I'd sit in the shower trying to wash myself clean.

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Radiohead didn't sell out though. In terms of their actual music, the standard of music they've produced has been good. Even if you're not necessarily a fan, they make good music. It's a shame their fans are such annoying twats.
a good standard has nothing to do with selling out or not. they played the system and put out formula albums (Pablo Honey and The Bends) until the system afforded them the payoff to start experimenting.


@SB - your right i misunderstood. though i still don't think that picking and choosing your advertisement spots instead of an agent or manager makes you less of a commercial act.
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I don't think it was a matter of putting out formula albums, most bands debut is a little underdeveloped and Pablo Honey is no exception. But The Bends was just them taking it on to the next level musically, and they progressed further with Ok Computer. I don't think it was a matter of them thinking right we'll put out this, because it's more accessible and then we'll release stuff that's much better. I believe their progression from album to album to be quite a natural one.
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