TheBig3

I hope you're not offended by my saying this, but I'm beginning to think, from your posts on this board alone, that gender is becoming something of a passion moving towards obsession.

Are you taking any gender studies courses ?

Edit: By the by, I know you have a pension for taking me wrong so I wanted to say that I'm being serious. I think you might have found something to pursue here. If any group needed more light shed upon its situation its likely the transgendered people.

I remember thinking it was a bunch of horse**** at one point, and arguing with a transgendered person on the political forums I post on. After that discussion I can see what the problem is. But most of this country is going to have a civilized discussion so maybe you can pave the way.

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boo boo

It's not an obsession just a current interest. I'm mostly a nerd who knows f*ck all about anything not having to do with music or video games but one academic interest I do have is psychology and what makes people the way they are.

Sexuality being a key interest.

I also hope nobody interprets my last post as being transphobic. I accept that gender dysphoria is real and that going transgender is better treatment for it than just dealing with it because genuine sufferers will never be able to.

But not every person undergoing trans surgery has this problem because things become trends and fads and people who don't really need it want it anyway. I think for some people, they have to deal with their gender, because while for GID sufferers trans surgery is a way to fix it, for people who don't really have gender dysphoria it can feed their delusions and make things worse. Not to mention, people with normal hormone levels shouldn't be so quick to take testosterone or estrogen pills.

A lot of people do things in the spur of the moment and it's these things we regret. Yes I sometimes fleetingly wonder what it would be like to be a chick but I'm not stupid enough to misinterpret this as "OMG I have gender dysphoria I need a vagina NAOW".

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jibber

A total sex change is something that's impossible to do in the spur of the moment. Aside from years of hormone replacement therapy people have to go through extensive psychoanalysis sessions to make sure they're ready for it and actually are a good candidate before any accredited surgeon will perform the operation.

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boo boo

Ok, bad phrasing, sorry.

What kind of psychoanalysis sessions? What kind of things have to be determined before surgery is an option?

I know sex changes aren't something you can just get at a f*cking drive thru, but I think its important to determine weither someones desire for transurgery is born out of genuine dysphoria or something that could only be a temporary emotional state influenced by social matters rather than biological ones.

Like say a homosexual man has extreme conflicts about his orientation and only wants to be a woman to rationalize his sexual lifestyle as a heterosexual one. Or a woman only wants to be a man because she thinks men have more freedoms. As in, not a genuine detachment from their biological sex.

I don't think personal esteem issues like that are treatable by sex change.

I'm not saying most transgender people don't have gender dysphoria, but I know there are examples of people who regret their decision, it's not that common, and detransitions are extremely rare, but it's still a possible outcome and should be a great concern for everyone involved.

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jibber

I don't know the specifics, but a friend of mine was telling me about one of his friends that had the operation. He had to meet regularly with the therapist for one or two years before he was able to schedule surgery.

on a completely different note, a friend of mine posted this link up on facebook. They're all old advertisements. Some of them are actually really funny, just because of how ridiculously and blatantly sexist they are.

Amazing Women Rock - Twenty-Three Shockingly Sexist Vintage Ads

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Janszoon

Haha, those are great! I think this was my favorite:

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boo boo

Maybe I'm just insensitive and twisted but I love watching old movies and cartoons with offensive stereotypes. I find them hillarious for their shocking absurdity and they're historically fascinating.

There has always been some bigotry in my family, but everything now seems so mild in comparison to what was acceptable back in the day. That's not to say racism today is no big deal, don't get me wrong. But I think we have to be grateful of the progress we've made so far, and I think laughing at how stupid we used to be is healthy.

Anyway, racism in my family is mostly against black people, ****** is a commonly used word. On the other hand there are friends to the family who are black. Thankfully no one I know is "lets hang a darky" racist, though my grandma's cousin used to be married to a grand wizard in the KKK. He probably didn't have any black friends.

Opinions on homosexuality are mixed. Some of them (even my racially insensitive grandma) are surprisingly accepting and openminded about it. Then again I don't really know a lot of openly gay people around here.

Anyway, this is my favorite of the ads.



Probably the worst pickup advice in the history of ever.

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VEGANGELICA

Definitely! Back when that ad was made, though, probably cigarettes were still being advertised as "healthful" for you, with doctors recommending them. Gullible, gullible, gullible people.

The history of sexism in industrial ads is also interesting, jibber. In the 70s or so, back when few scientists were women, ads for lab equipment like centrifuges sometimes had women draped over them seductively...rather like you see with cars today.

I remember being shocked when I saw some of these old ads in a lab where I worked. These days, all the ads/catalogs made by big science corporations...Fisher, Sigma, etc....portray people very professionally and respectfully, regardless of gender or ethnicity, thanks to the fact that there are a lot more women such as myself in science who would never buy any product from a company treating women in a derogatory fashion.

Speaking of women's bodies being used to sell stuff, I was also shocked when I went to England ten years ago and saw people reading newspapers with photos of a bare-breasted woman on the third page: The Sun's "Page 3 girls." Page Three - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I was shocked that something I see as so demeaning toward women is so commonplace and apparently accepted in British newspapers and newspapers around the world.

If the newspapers are committed to going the soft-porn route, I felt they should at least treat women and men equally by having both a nude woman AND a nude man pictured. Just showing a topless women, but not a topless man, makes women seem like sexual commodities, while men are not. If newspaper execs are willing to put women on display in newspapers, then they should be darn ready to put naked men out there, too, on their infamous Page 3.

Ideally, they'd just write good news reports without needing to gain or retain readers by trying to titillate them.

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boo boo

Yeah, topless women are great I'm a guy sry, but maybe people would stop complaining if there were more half naked dudes around, actually I'm sure guys would start complaining but whatev lol.

But there are sex magazines marketed towards women just like those marketed towards men. Men have playboy but women have playgirl. You don't see quite as many womens versions of magazines like Maxim and Stuff though. And thats not fair, women get horny too.

Then again I think it might have to do with women being more verbal than visual, erotic literature is a huge industry and it's mostly thanks to the women.

Magazines are kinda dated now anyway thanks to the internet. The great thing about the internet is that there's a market for everybody.

Which is also the bad thing about the internet of course.

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Describing The Sun as a newspaper is stretching the truth a bit.
If you think they're sexist, you should have a read of the Daily Sport.
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