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Old 07-14-2010, 07:37 PM   #451 (permalink)
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I don't think girls that grow up around boys and play boys games are automatically going to become tomboys. I've seen too much evidence to the contrary. I think it's natural and healthy for girls to get rough and not have to tip-toe around with tea cups on their heads all day to be "lady-like" (Please don't, Vegangelica).
If anything, I think the entire term "tomboy" is thrown around like a frisbee far too much and for far too little.
Yeah I agree... which is why I made it a point to not immediately use the term "tomboy." What is a tomboy anyway? I think it's a stupid term. I'm glad I grew up playing with a range of different toys and genders. That being said, I do know a lot of families full of girls who have grown up to be very girly and I often wonder if it's because they didn't have a brother or access to other games/ activities. Maybe their parents only bought girly toys because they only had girls. I don't know, but it's interesting.

And yeah, I think I act like a girl, I just get along with guys better, we generally share the same interests... it's just the types of guys and girls I know, I guess.
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:50 PM   #452 (permalink)
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Yeah I agree... which is why I made it a point to not immediately use the term "tomboy." What is a tomboy anyway? I think it's a stupid term. I'm glad I grew up playing with a range of different toys and genders. That being said, I do know a lot of families full of girls who have grown up to be very girly and I often wonder if it's because they didn't have a brother or access to other games/ activities. Maybe their parents only bought girly toys because they only had girls. I don't know, but it's interesting.

And yeah, I think I act like a girl, I just get along with guys better, we generally share the same interests... it's just the types of guys and girls I know, I guess.
I don't blame you for wanting to hang out with guys.
If I had to hang out long-term with some of the girls I've known in the past, I'd slit my own throat with a rusty butterknife.
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Old 07-14-2010, 07:56 PM   #453 (permalink)
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Haha well shucks Yeah, I don't really know why it is. I'm not a tomboy, I do act very much like a girl, I just get along with guys better. We tend to share the same interests like music, video games, sport, the outdoors... whereas most girls I know aren't into these things. I know many girls enjoy these activities and are they like me in that they aren't heavily into gossiping or hair or makeup or shopping... I just don't know many!

And yeah, like NSW I only played with my brother growing up, I don't remember having barbie dolls or any girly toys... I remember kicking a football outside with my brother, or playing in the mud, or making things out of lego.
Maybe things are different in your country.

But here guys have an increasing desire for girls who share their interests. We have a lot of attractive heterosexual girls who love sports, video games, rock music, gory horror movies and so on and are still very "girly" in nature. Being girly is no longer about barbie dolls and high heels and whatever. We don't have finely distinguished gender roles like we used to so a girl who is into that kinda stuff is only considered a "dyke" or whatever by idiots. These days only really old guys complain about all the women of today being unladylike because they don't fit all the gender roles as they were from their generation.

Being feminine for me goes deeper than how people choose to define it, it is more about behavior and class than stuff having to do with personal interests and fashion. Empathy, tenderness, elegance and motherhood are more important to me as feminine qualities than press on nails and lip gloss. And just because a broad loves getting dirty every now and then and playing sports and video games and dressing in ts and jeans means she lacks these qualities. I just don't judge how feminine someone is by fashion. You have a lot more class Katie than sluts like Paris Hilton and Tara Reid ever will, they're not more "feminine" than you because of how they dress.

Anyway. It's not a requirement for me that my girlfriend shares my interests and tastes in stuff like music, film and gaming but it's certainly a plus.

Also, there's a lot of kids in my area and the boys and girls play together all the time with no segregation. All the girls here love riding their bikes and playing with the boys, but they're still girls, it's something all girls do now so it's no longer something exclusively for boys, this gives me great optimism that there will be less gender segregation in the future, because girls who prefer barbie dolls and tea parties to video games and outdoor activity are really becoming a rarity.

Gotta admit though, I actually owned a few barbie dolls when I was a kid and my friends poked fun of me for it, but whatever I didn't really do girly things with them I just used them with all my other action figures, I needed at least a few girl dolls to play girl roles (damsel in distress, love interest, whatever) because I liked making stories and acting them out with toys, like a lot of kids do. I mean lets be honest, a ninja turtle doesn't make a convincing lady, every boy needs a barbie to give their toy collection some gender equality.
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:11 PM   #454 (permalink)
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I don't think girls that grow up around boys and play boys games are automatically going to become tomboys. I've seen too much evidence to the contrary. I think it's natural and healthy for girls to get rough and not have to tip-toe around with tea cups on their heads all day to be "lady-like" (Please don't, Vegangelica).
If anything, I think the entire term "tomboy" is thrown around like a frisbee far too much and for far too little.
Actually having a girlfriend with awful taste in music would be an interesting experiment, a lot of girls with these tastes simply haven't been exposed to the finer things, they need assistance and I'd be glad to provide.

You just have to take it one step at a time. If she listens to a lot of crappy music, I'd try to get her into good music of the same genre, and then sneak in the more progressive stuff as we go along until eventually I'll have her digging Amon Duul II and Henry Cow records.

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I don't think girls that grow up around boys and play boys games are automatically going to become tomboys. I've seen too much evidence to the contrary. I think it's natural and healthy for girls to get rough and not have to tip-toe around with tea cups on their heads all day to be "lady-like" (Please don't, Vegangelica).
If anything, I think the entire term "tomboy" is thrown around like a frisbee far too much and for far too little.
Agreed. For me riding bikes and playing in the mud isn't a boy thing, it's a KID thing. All my girl cousins around my age loved playing with the boys when we were kids, though they did tend to enjoy the girlier things on the side.

I do feel girls have more options, as in nowadays parents find it much more acceptable for their daughters to do "boy" stuff than it is for their sons to do "girl" stuff. Girls are now given variety of boy and girl toys to play with while few dads would ever let their boys play with barbies out of fear of them becoming homosexuals, which is stupid because there is no surefire way to prevent homosexuality anyway it's something you're born with.

I used to envy my cousin Ashley's dollhouse.
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:51 PM   #455 (permalink)
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I'm not gay, lol.

Liking girly things doesn't really translate to homosexual desires. Gay men can be very masculine and heterosexual men can be very feminine. I may prefer chatting it up with middle age women at salons (my mom owns one so I do this often) to watching sports but I'm not gay I just have my own interests and don't give a f*ck weither they are manly interests or not.
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I'm not gay, lol.

Liking girly things doesn't really translate to homosexual desires. Gay men can be very masculine and heterosexual men can be very feminine. I may prefer chatting it up with middle age women at salons (my mom owns one so I do this often) to watching sports but I'm not gay I just have my own interests and don't give a f*ck weither they are manly interests or not.
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I am not gay. But I admit I'm kinda surprised that I'm not, because my mom used to do sh*t like this to me as a baby for a cruel laugh.



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