Why message boards go down hill.

Cheese · 03-09-2010, 08:44 PM

I don't come here enough anymore to give a ****............I choose not to come here much as i've found there's always some ****smoker who thinks their music's leagues better than anything you'll ever listen to.

I hear enough of that **** from the braindead imbeciles i work with who think nothing exists beyond The Black Eyed Peas.

I agree that there is just a touch of elitism in these forums.

VEGANGELICA · 03-09-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Silence woman!

"Mmphh!"

[Translation: "You may muzzle me for a moment, man, but beware: my revenge-seeking, rolling-pin wielding women friends may hunt you down in the dead of night for some 'night clubbing.' I'll try to stop them...but I'm afraid all I'll be able to say is 'Mmphh!' Oh, look, here comes one of them now!"

"And another!"

"Oh dear, I'm afraid it is going to be a drumming session, right-track. Perhaps I'll record the sound and post it up in the Music Section. It will be a fine contribution, sure to help prevent this message board from going downhill."]

Neapolitan · 03-10-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

I agree that there is just a touch of elitism in these forums.

It strange when you think about it music by nature isn't competitive like sports. Music is to be heard and enjoys. The main point of a forums you basicly share an opinion, but somehow it ends up very competitive, it almost as bad talking smack before a wrestling match the way people express opinions. Anyway I try to avoid elitism as much as possible because I know I can't hear all the music that's very been record and I can't know everything about "Music" and neither can they. So if someone acts like a know-it-all, I know they're not. So I don't see elitist as know-it-alls, but I understand they may not go about voicing their opinion the best way possible. Some people you have to ignore; you have to be like a duck and let the water roll off you back, (you know what I mean.)

duga · 03-10-2010, 01:27 AM

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I actually think music and sports have one very important thing in common: emotion. Everyone...especially those who are incredibly into music like us...listens to it because we are emotionally attached to it in some way. It is life affirming, and knowing people who agree with you on that help validate those feelings. People love a certain sports team because of a family tradition that they want to feel close to, or they followed the team from the time they were unknown, or any other reason someone gets emotionally attached to a team. The reaction to insulting someone's favorite team provokes nearly the same reaction as insulting someone's favorite band. So...now that I think about it...the way we all react is perfectly normal.

mr dave · 03-10-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

It strange when you think about it music by nature isn't competitive like sports. Music is to be heard and enjoys. The main point of a forums you basicly share an opinion, but somehow it ends up very competitive, it almost as bad talking smack before a wrestling match the way people express opinions. Anyway I try to avoid elitism as much as possible because I know I can't hear all the music that's very been record and I can't know everything about "Music" and neither can they. So if someone acts like a know-it-all, I know they're not. So I don't see elitist as know-it-alls, but I understand they may not go about voicing their opinion the best way possible. Some people you have to ignore; you have to be like a duck and let the water roll off you back, (you know what I mean.)

at the same time there's something to be said for wisdom and experience. while it might seem elitist to some, the flip side is that there are plenty of people who would trivialize something others feel significant amounts of passion for.

i feel no shame and refuse to apologize for calling a noob an idiot for attempting to trivialize a 6 decade career into an easy grade by regurgitating a bio for X amount of pages. someone has to dish out the tough love, coddling complacency and laziness does no one a favour.

Neapolitan · 03-10-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

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So...now that I think about it...the way we all react is perfectly normal.

So you are saying it is normal to be flamed when someone insults you and/or the music you like?
Well anyway what I was trying to offer was a way out of being flamed by someone who has a ****y attitude and that was by not buying into their happy horse ****. Just because someone acts like a no-it-all, it is not necessarily the case, that person could not knows it all.

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Originally Posted by mr dave

at the same time there's something to be said for wisdom and experience. while it might seem elitist to some, the flip side is that there are plenty of people who would trivialize something others feel significant amounts of passion for.

i feel no shame and refuse to apologize for calling a noob an idiot for attempting to trivialize a 6 decade career into an easy grade by regurgitating a bio for X amount of pages. someone has to dish out the tough love, coddling complacency and laziness does no one a favour.

Are you alluding to me? Because "coddling complacency and laziness" is my favorite pasttime. I refrain from calling anyone an idiot on the grounds there are other ways of dealing with them. Don't get mad, get even.

mr dave · 03-11-2010, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Are you alluding to me? Because "coddling complacency and laziness" is my favorite pasttime. I refrain from calling anyone an idiot on the grounds there are other ways of dealing with them. Don't get mad, get even.

nope at least i don't think so. i was alluding to the now closed 'help me write a paper on Johnny Cash' thread where the OP made it clear they chose him thinking it would be an easy grade then chose superficial and in some cases mind bogglingly absurd points to use as the basis of their paper once they realized they had to do more than regurgitate a bio, or at least that's how they presented themselves.

i understand they were young and all, but they were in grade 11 and therefore almost done with high school and if they honestly thought they should be bailed out by the internet then they deserve to be flamed off a board in my eyes.

Guybrush · 03-11-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

nope at least i don't think so. i was alluding to the now closed 'help me write a paper on Johnny Cash' thread where the OP made it clear they chose him thinking it would be an easy grade then chose superficial and in some cases mind bogglingly absurd points to use as the basis of their paper once they realized they had to do more than regurgitate a bio, or at least that's how they presented themselves.

i understand they were young and all, but they were in grade 11 and therefore almost done with high school and if they honestly thought they should be bailed out by the internet then they deserve to be flamed off a board in my eyes.

Seems to me you're making a lot of assumptions about a person based on one post, such as the motive for picking Johnny Cash. This newb was perfectly respectful and turned to members of this forum for help and got only **** in return.

We still got this rule :

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• While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, or purposeless inflammatory posts. We reserve the right to remove offensive posts without notice. Our decision is final in these matters.

There's nothing in the rules that say you're not allowed to not be knowledgeable about Johnny Cash or any other famous artist out there. The rules are in place generally to stop people acting like ****s. There was a lot of disregard for the rules in that thread and it was not by the OP.

I'm getting a bit tired of some of the chronic toxic attitudes I see on these boards.

stormjh · 03-11-2010, 08:00 AM

This kind of fits in here, I always find forums better when a users post count is not put under their name sig and such, as people tend to value the opinions of someone with a post count 1000 + over that of a newbie, as opposed to taking the posts on the merit of what's in them, they just think 'oh he/she has loads of posts, they're probably right', or he/she only has a few posts, I'll ignore it until someone with more says something too'.

Just putting that out there, not meaning to have a go or anything.

VEGANGELICA · 03-11-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i feel no shame and refuse to apologize for calling a noob an idiot for attempting to trivialize a 6 decade career into an easy grade by regurgitating a bio for X amount of pages. someone has to dish out the tough love, coddling complacency and laziness does no one a favour.

I've communicated back and forth through PMs with people flamed or hounded off the boards, mr. dave, and they are usually not particularly happy about their experience. Being called an idiot doesn't help them.

Sure, it can be frustrating for those more interested in a topic if someone has no desire to learn new knowledge, if that is indeed the case. However, I feel the best way to encourage people to want to learn is to give them an open environment in which to ask the most naive of questions and make the most naive of statements...and to share with them your knowledge so that they realize there is important information they may be missing. Then they may want to look into the topic in more depth because of positive reasons.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

So you are saying it is normal to be flamed when someone insults you and/or the music you like?

I refrain from calling anyone an idiot on the grounds there are other ways of dealing with them. Don't get mad, get even.

Very true, Neapolitan, although my reason for never calling someone an idiot is that it is *always false* that an individual is an "idiot." Perhaps she lacks knowledge about a particular area, or motivation to learn about it, but certainly she has all sorts of other abilities that show great mastery and skill...such as an ability to type.

As for "don't get mad, get even," I like the saying that "the best revenge is to live a happy life." I get a lot of revenge.

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Originally Posted by tore

We still got this rule :

There's nothing in the rules that say you're not allowed to not be knowledgeable about Johnny Cash or any other famous artist out there. The rules are in place generally to stop people acting like ****s. There was a lot of disregard for the rules in that thread and it was not by the OP.

Agreed.

03-10-2010, 01:27 AM	#94 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	^ I actually think music and sports have one very important thing in common: emotion. Everyone...especially those who are incredibly into music like us...listens to it because we are emotionally attached to it in some way. It is life affirming, and knowing people who agree with you on that help validate those feelings. People love a certain sports team because of a family tradition that they want to feel close to, or they followed the team from the time they were unknown, or any other reason someone gets emotionally attached to a team. The reaction to insulting someone's favorite team provokes nearly the same reaction as insulting someone's favorite band. So...now that I think about it...the way we all react is perfectly normal. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

03-11-2010, 08:00 AM	#99 (permalink)
stormjh Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	This kind of fits in here, I always find forums better when a users post count is not put under their name sig and such, as people tend to value the opinions of someone with a post count 1000 + over that of a newbie, as opposed to taking the posts on the merit of what's in them, they just think 'oh he/she has loads of posts, they're probably right', or he/she only has a few posts, I'll ignore it until someone with more says something too'. Just putting that out there, not meaning to have a go or anything. __________________ Sig removed by mod.

03-09-2010, 08:44 PM	#91 (permalink)
Cheese Shadow on the wall Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 823	I don't come here enough anymore to give a **............I choose not to come here much as i've found there's always some smoker who thinks their music's leagues better than anything you'll ever listen to. I hear enough of that ** from the braindead imbeciles i work with who think nothing exists beyond The Black Eyed Peas. I agree that there is just a touch of elitism in these forums.