Mr November

Human's are "meant" to do many things. I would agree that we are suited by natural and evolution to consume meat.

BUT

Something that's special about humans is that we can make choices against our own nature. We would never have gotten as far as we have if we didn't suppress some of our natural urges and behaviours (even if some of that is what has allowed us to become what we are... but every hand of cards can have its aces and its jokers).

I'm nowhere close to being a vegetarian. Even still, I don't question that there's ethical merit to not killing other living animals if possible not to.

I don't care what the chemicals in my brain tell me to do. I will do what I want... but I will still eat meat.

The Batlord

Not that I'm arguing with you, I'm just taking your statement and commenting on it.

We also have an appendix that we do not use any more. We have tails that we do not use any more. At some point we obviously evolved these things to suit a need that we no longer have. So now these things are being evolved out of us. We do not need to eat meat any more either, so why not evolve out of that as well?

God damn it! I'm gonna have to become a vegetarian at some point aren't I?! All I know is that whatever happens, eggplant can go **** itself!

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Paedantic Basterd

I don't agree with that. Humans have more or less stopped natural selection for themselves. When you can change your environment to suit you, there is no longer a need or drive to adapt to it.

djchameleon

well Humans still have to adapt to the environment because of natural disasters. They can't control/change those yet.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Paedantic Basterd

I'm inclined to think it would take a more grievous and long term disaster than we've seen for any evolution to take place. Disasters like Katrina and the 04 tsunami just killed a shitload of people, seemingly without any rhyme or reason. I imagine that if there were an evolutionary effect of these incidents, it wouldn't be seen for hundreds of years, by which point I imagine we'll all have died out due to some other circumstance. The one thing I can see still forcing evolution of our species is global warming/pollution, which is widespread and ongoing enough for long term natural selection.

Mr November

You're right about this. Natural disasters kill on an instantaneous and random basis (the exception being geographical so there might be an argument there). But, I think that if over the next million years if humans stopped eating meat, there might be some small effects. Then again some studies say even our appendixes may not be totally inactive.

Perhaps human evolution has taken a different turn. Maybe the next step is genetic engineering (I hope so). And it might be a necessary one since flipping the bird to natural selection can have some funky genetic effects.

In any case I still think that the argument that humans aren't ethically subject to their own nature is a valid one.

Mr November

^ this

djchameleon

Do you have links to those studies that claim that our appendixes are not inactive? this is the first I'm hearing about it and i'm inclined to not believe that one bit.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Paedantic Basterd

Actually, I too read that the appendix may generate necessary bacteria for the digestive tract.

Appendix may be useful after all - Health - Health care - More health news - msnbc.com

Dirty

I took one vitamin a day. I forget what it was, it was like 2 years ago or so I did keto. It was something my mom had, she's a semi-vitamin nut. I should have taken way more vitamins though and monitored it way more. So this time around (if I decide to do it again) I'll definitely be more knowledgeable and researched on what vitamins and stuff to take and in what amounts. I ate fruit sparingly as long as it kept my body in the state of ketosis.



Large. Intense. Few.

From what I remember. I don't know, I didn't keep a diary on them. I'll take pics and post them next time for reference.


Ok, let's not go off into crazy comparison land here. Abolishing slavery was a good thing. People of all races are still people. I don't feel nearly as sensitive to animals as I do people. My basic feeling is that animals taste good, are good for the economy, and provide little else to humans other than when they are killed. Just like lions attack deer, and larger fish eat smaller fish, I don't mind that we eat animals. And because I know this same argument is gonna come back around, let me say that I PERSONALLY am only really concerned with HUMANS. I don't care what is best for the world. I care what is best for people.