Is Meat Really Murder?

Violent & Funky · 11-10-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Animals don't need to make a conscious decision to change their diets because their nature doesn't have a negative effect on the environment or life as a whole. Why would they need to improve on that?
We, on the other hand, have the ability to make conscious decisions regarding our world and we still fuck it up constantly. Doesn't sound like superiority to me. Sounds a lot like stupidity. And I'll be the first one to admit being part of it.
When our species begins doing a better job at supporting life on this planet than the natural balance outside our influence, then you can claim superiority. Until then, all this human superiority crap is just ego being blown out of our asses because we're too self absorbed to handle the idea that our little talents aren't the end all be all of anything but our own self gratification circle jerk.

It's not that vegetarians don't eat animals that were slaughtered or treated inhumanely or whatever--they just straight up don't eat meat. By your reasoning, there should be nothing wrong with going out into the woods, killing a deer with a spear, and then cooking it over a campfire and eating it. If somebody told me they don't eat processed foods I have no problem with that, but I often feel vegetarians are vegetarians so that *they* can feel good about themselves and smell their own farts.

And I'm the first to admit that vegetarianism is a very healthy life choice and doing it for the nutritional benefits doesn't bother me at all...

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Animals don't need to make a conscious decision to change their diets because their nature doesn't have a negative effect on the environment or life as a whole. Why would they need to improve on that?
We, on the other hand, have the ability to make conscious decisions regarding our world and we still fuck it up constantly. Doesn't sound like superiority to me. Sounds a lot like stupidity. And I'll be the first one to admit being part of it.
When our species begins doing a better job at supporting life on this planet than the natural balance outside our influence, then you can claim superiority. Until then, all this human superiority crap is just ego being blown out of our asses because we're too self absorbed to handle the idea that our little talents aren't the end all be all of anything but our own self gratification circle jerk.

It's not a matter if they need to... it's just the fact that they can't, even if they wanted to. Animals are really basic. They don't have the mental capacity that we do. They aren't intellectual. Hell, they see other animals getting killed for food and most of them are too dumb to even realize it. Deer run out in front of traffic all the time. They don't even understand what a road is or how to stop and wait for cars to pass.

You're just pessimistic about things. We don't constantly **** up things.. Sure we make mistakes, but look at the quality of life changes over the past 100 years. Or even 50 or 20 years. Man makes great progress, even admist mistakes. Where as animals don't. Animals aren't smart enough to better their quality of life, they are very inferior to us. We are the most powerful species there is.

And I know humans are out to better the lives of humans... Well no ****. Lol, obviously, why wouldn't we? That's all I hear in response to people improving their quality of life over the years... "Yeah but they only improve human life!!!" That's the entire goal! To make things easier, more accessible, convenient, etc...

Freebase Dali · 11-10-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

It's not that vegetarians don't eat animals that were slaughtered or treated inhumanely or whatever--they just straight up don't eat meat. By your reasoning, there should be nothing wrong with going out into the woods, killing a deer with a spear, and then cooking it over a campfire and eating it. If somebody told me they don't eat processed foods I have no problem with that, but I often feel vegetarians are vegetarians so that *they* can feel good about themselves and smell their own farts.

And I'm the first to admit that vegetarianism is a very healthy life choice and doing it for the nutritional benefits doesn't bother me at all...

You know about Veganism right?
You should talk to Vegangelica... she'll let you know their position.

Violent & Funky · 11-10-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

You know about Veganism right?
You should talk to Vegangelica... she'll let you know their position.

I know about it and I have more respect for it than vegetarianism, although I still find it silly...

Freebase Dali · 11-10-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

It's not a matter if they need to... it's just the fact that they can't, even if they wanted to. Animals are really basic. They don't have the mental capacity that we do. They aren't intellectual. Hell, they see other animals getting killed for food and most of them are too dumb to even realize it. Deer run out in front of traffic all the time. They don't even understand what a road is or how to stop and wait for cars to pass.

You're just pessimistic about things. We don't constantly **** up things.. Sure we make mistakes, but look at the quality of life changes over the past 100 years. Or even 50 or 20 years. Man makes great progress, even admist mistakes. Where as animals don't. Animals aren't smart enough to better their quality of life, they are very inferior to us. We are the most powerful species there is.

And I know humans are out to better the lives of humans... Well no ****. Lol, obviously, why wouldn't we? That's all I hear in response to people improving their quality of life over the years... "Yeah but they only improve human life!!!" That's the entire goal! To make things easier, more accessible, convenient, etc...

Wow... I'm beginning to think you're trolling, because no one could possibly be dumb enough to be missing the point like you are.

I'm almost afraid to ask you how you think you'd survive if we were the only species left on the planet.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-10-2010, 05:01 PM

Likewise, I thought you were trolling for pages.

Freebase Dali · 11-10-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I know about it and I have more respect for it than vegetarianism, although I still find it silly...

Maybe you have the two confused? Are you saying that you respect the philosophical reasoning behind not eating meat more than the health-based reasoning behind not eating it?

Violent & Funky · 11-10-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Maybe you have the two confused? Are you saying that you respect the philosophical reasoning behind not eating meat more than the health-based reasoning behind not eating it?

I thought we've been arguing for pages that there are people who are vegetarian for the philosophical reasons?

roosterbread · 11-10-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Maybe you have the two confused? Are you saying that you respect the philosophical reasoning behind not eating meat more than the health-based reasoning behind not eating it?

I would respect the health-based reasoning, myself. Consider this; Eating meat is an instinct. Not eating meat is a choice. I think we can all agree that we need to stop being mean to the meat, but human populations get in the way of that. Don't worry, though. Nature has ways of fixing that.

skaltezon · 11-10-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

I'm not sure what you mean by "Do you associate that with an acquired philosophy?" Could you elaborate?

Sure. I meant, is that 'moral gray area' a natural tendency that you've come to recognize in yourself or have you been influenced by some philosopher? I'm having trouble understanding why you'd prefer steak and a lack of clarity.
That's an odd pairing.

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