Is Meat Really Murder?

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 11-06-2010, 10:32 AM

Nor does he want to, lulz.

But on a previously brought up subject, I agree with you mojo, it's really annoying to keep getting the posts of burgers and ****. Just makes em look like twats though, especially when the veggies here have been pretty respectful

~~Dirty~~ · 11-06-2010, 10:35 AM

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That depends what you mean by the world. Do you mean the actual world or your own little one?

My own little world?

OH! You must mean the very small world that includes the billions of people and animals that I've been talking about for pages now?

I'm asking you the question... go by your own definition. I'm just interested if you think anything has ever bettered the world, cause it doesn't sound like it.

Mojo · 11-06-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

Nor does he want to, lulz.

But on a previously brought up subject, I agree with you mojo, it's really annoying to keep getting the posts of burgers and ****. Just makes em look like twats though, especially when the veggies here have been pretty respectful

Thats it. I like to have a laugh with vegetarians too, it's fun. However people have been posting these pictures, whether it be of burgers or dead animals, throughout this entire thread completely unprovoked or without reason.

And eh, this is now a completely redundant argument as far as I can tell. For something to help the world, it would need to help just that, the WORLD that we live in. Whether it be the environment, the climate, and no matter how big or small a change it makes.

Computers, mobile phones and even medicine help our QUALITY of life, our day to day existence and as far as medicine goes, the LONGEVITY of our lives. Medicine helps us live longer and as a result, increase in numbers. It means that there are more of us. There is an even an argument to be had there if an increasing population is actually good or bad for the world but I'm not getting into that.

Basically, every thing you have told us helps the world benefits human life. However human life accounts for only a small part of the world. The world would still be here if we died out. If you keep that in mind, that the world goes on without us, then how does a mobile phone make a blind bit of difference? How does anything that simply improves a humans quality of life contribute towards making the world a better place if thats ALL it does?

But as i said, you cant see the difference so fuck it, I'm sick of this argument now.

**Janszoon** · 11-06-2010, 11:05 AM

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AKA continue to have my opinion.

No, that's not what I'm saying at at all. I'm saying if you're going to making a claim, then back it up with something. Circular reasoning proves nothing.

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You lost me right around saying that medicine isn't a good example of how human intelligence has improved the world.

EVEN IF SOMETHING ONLY BENEFITS OUR SPECIES, THE WORLD IS BETTER FOR IT. The idea that something needs to benefit all species for it to be positive is absurd. And apparently that's essentially the thought that you two both have. So I guess by you guys reasoning, nothing has ever really made the world better. Right? If I am wrong in saying that, please tell me what HAS bettered the world. Or has the world never improved?

If our quality of life improves, how doesn't that make the world as a whole better? Oh man, we didn't improve the lives of ants! WHO CARES, seriously. Small things like cell phones just make daily life for people easier and more convenient, allowing for more time for other things to get done. Would you rather live in 1900 or now? I'd guesstimate 99% of people would rather live now with all of the inventions and luxurious that have been created due to HUMAN intelligence.

This is why I described your viewpoint as myopic earlier. You name a bunch of inventions that you feel benefit people in some way to prove that human intelligence somehow benefits the world while completely ignoring the fact that all of these things all have have downsides. I mean I don't need to tell you cars have negative effects on the world do I?

~~Dirty~~ · 11-06-2010, 11:13 AM

There are negatives to a lot of things. But usually I feel the positive outweighs the bad.

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Basically, every thing you have told us helps the world benefits human life. However human life accounts for only a small part of the world. The world would still be here if we died out. If you keep that in mind, that the world goes on without us, then how does a mobile phone make a blind bit of difference? How does anything that simply improves a humans quality of life contribute towards making the world a better place if thats ALL it does?

A cell phone doesn't matter if no humans are here...but we ARE here. And since we are here, and since we are a part of this world, and since we are improving as a species, that means a good part of the world is improving.

Mojo · 11-06-2010, 11:16 AM

No, again that is incorrect. The world is NOT human life. Its what we live on. So the invention of a mobile phone benefits human life but it does NOT benefit the world in any way.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-06-2010, 11:22 AM

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No, again that is incorrect. The world is NOT human life. Its what we live on. So the invention of a mobile phone benefits human life but it does NOT benefit the world in any way.

Disagreed. We are a part of this world. Even if, hypothetically, we are the smallest part of the world...If we are being improved, then the world as a whole is being improved, even if slightly.

Paedantic Basterd · 11-06-2010, 12:24 PM

Antiseptics!

But generally speaking, humans are a disease.

Violent & Funky · 11-06-2010, 01:28 PM

You guys are a bunch of gooddamn hippies!

Humans are animals--omnivores at that--and we're on the top of the food chain. It's a part of nature that we eat the animals below us in the food chain. K?

Freebase Dali · 11-06-2010, 03:05 PM

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I do think most animals are stupid. And the ones that are smart can't really use their intelligence to better the world. Like I said, the advancement of humans is all that really matters.

The world never needed bettering until we came along.
All the other animals can co-exist with each other and can, even without intent or intelligence at all, maintain a synergy of balance for all living things on the planet. We cannot. With all our "intelligence", we place some arbitrary importance on our own emotions and desires at the cost of everything around us. The entire notion that we're bettering anything at all is completely self-serving. I guarantee you that if humans all disappeared from the face of the earth, in the context of all the other species out there and life on this planet in general, things would only get better. Not worse. There is absolutely no denying that. It would be absurd to do so. But guess who does it all the time...

Us.

I'm not going to pretend I don't have a stake in my own species, but I can guarantee you I'm not so blind as to think that we're anything but a negative consequence.

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Violent & Funky FUNky Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 2,482	You guys are a bunch of gooddamn hippies! Humans are animals--omnivores at that--and we're on the top of the food chain. It's a part of nature that we eat the animals below us in the food chain. K? __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/ohio0808 sometimes I don't thrill you sometimes I think I'll kill you just don't let me fuck up will you 'cause when I need a friend it's still you

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~~Sansa Stark~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Eyrie, Vale of Arryn, Westeros Posts: 3,234	Nor does he want to, lulz. But on a previously brought up subject, I agree with you mojo, it's really annoying to keep getting the posts of burgers and ****. Just makes em look like twats though, especially when the veggies here have been pretty respectful

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