Is Meat Really Murder?

Mojo · 11-06-2010, 07:32 AM

You're looking at things so narrowly. Humans ARE an animal. You seem to be grouping every other animal together as one and assuming that all of them are fucking stupid, yet I don't think you have a basis for this opinion at all.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-06-2010, 07:42 AM

I do think most animals are stupid. And the ones that are smart can't really use their intelligence to better the world. Like I said, the advancement of humans is all that really matters.

**Janszoon** · 11-06-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

I do think most animals are stupid. And the ones that are smart can't really use their intelligence to better the world.

Can humans?

~~Dirty~~ · 11-06-2010, 08:03 AM

Obviously.

**Janszoon** · 11-06-2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Obviously.

If it were obvious, I wouldn't have asked. Can you give some examples of ways in which humans can use their intelligence to better the world?

~~Dirty~~ · 11-06-2010, 08:45 AM

Really?

I actually thought you might've been half-joking when you asked because I don't think it could be any more obvious that humans use their intelligence to better the world.

Some examples? Maybe the human intelligence that led to medical breakthroughs in treating diseases with medicine. Or maybe the human intelligence that led to modern day automobiles, or automobiles at all actually... Human intelligence which led to all of our modern day technology... Phones, computers, the internet, microwaves, etc.

The list could probably go on for days. I mean if human intelligence isn't responsible for all of these amazing things, then what is?

**Janszoon** · 11-06-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Really?

I actually thought you might've been half-joking when you asked because I don't think it could be any more obvious that humans use their intelligence to better the world.

Some examples? Maybe the human intelligence that led to medical breakthroughs in treating diseases with medicine. Or maybe the human intelligence that led to modern day automobiles, or automobiles at all actually... Human intelligence which led to all of our modern day technology... Phones, computers, the internet, microwaves, etc.

The list could probably go on for days. I mean if human intelligence isn't responsible for all of these amazing things, then what is?

Okay, you just gave a me a list of human inventions, but I don't see any of them bettering the world. Medicine is the most positive thing on your list but it is generally used to help just humans, by and large, so not a particularly good example of bettering the world, and not really one that sets us apart from other species either. I mean I'm sure ants do plenty of things that benefit other ants but I'd hardly describe that as "bettering the world". Every other thing you mentioned is neutral at best. I mean, honestly, in what way is a microwave oven bettering the world?

Mojo · 11-06-2010, 09:46 AM

Exactly. The world does not begin and end with the human race. None of that betters the world at all, it betters our species and our species only.

~~Dirty~~ · 11-06-2010, 09:55 AM

What I've been saying for three pages or so is that bettering our species is really all that matters to me. I couldn't care less about the advancement of ants. Or cows. Or pigs. I just don't care, I'd rather eat them than worry about their feelings or the advancement of their species. A lot of animals are most valuable when killed, then eaten.

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Okay, you just gave a me a list of human inventions, but I don't see any of them bettering the world. Medicine is the most positive thing on your list but it is generally used to help just humans, by and large, so not a particularly good example of bettering the world, and not really one that sets us apart from other species either. I mean I'm sure ants do plenty of things that benefit other ants but I'd hardly describe that as "bettering the world". Every other thing you mentioned is neutral at best. I mean, honestly, in what way is a microwave oven bettering the world?

Medicine is not an example of bettering the world? Hahaha, I guess we have drastically different viewpoints then. Personally, I view saving and/or improving millions of lives as a positive thing for the world. I guess you... don't? I almost find that hard to believe.

Phones, computers, all things technology related, improve society. They make the world a better place. Unless you think it was better when everything was word-of-mouth and information was delivered using the pony express. All those inventions were created because of human intelligence.

To say that human intelligence has never done anything to better the world is crazy.

Mojo · 11-06-2010, 10:01 AM

Thats our point, you are talking about bettering our species only yet you are saying these things better the WORLD. They don't. Medicine is the only thing you mentioned that you can make an argument for, as we also treat other species with it too.

11-06-2010, 07:32 AM	#651 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	You're looking at things so narrowly. Humans ARE an animal. You seem to be grouping every other animal together as one and assuming that all of them are fucking stupid, yet I don't think you have a basis for this opinion at all. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

11-06-2010, 09:46 AM	#658 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Exactly. The world does not begin and end with the human race. None of that betters the world at all, it betters our species and our species only. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

11-06-2010, 10:01 AM	#660 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Thats our point, you are talking about bettering our species only yet you are saying these things better the WORLD. They don't. Medicine is the only thing you mentioned that you can make an argument for, as we also treat other species with it too. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

11-06-2010, 07:42 AM	#652 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	I do think most animals are stupid. And the ones that are smart can't really use their intelligence to better the world. Like I said, the advancement of humans is all that really matters.

11-06-2010, 08:03 AM	#654 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	Obviously.

11-06-2010, 08:45 AM	#656 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	Really? I actually thought you might've been half-joking when you asked because I don't think it could be any more obvious that humans use their intelligence to better the world. Some examples? Maybe the human intelligence that led to medical breakthroughs in treating diseases with medicine. Or maybe the human intelligence that led to modern day automobiles, or automobiles at all actually... Human intelligence which led to all of our modern day technology... Phones, computers, the internet, microwaves, etc. The list could probably go on for days. I mean if human intelligence isn't responsible for all of these amazing things, then what is?