Is Meat Really Murder?

Arya Stark · 05-11-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

You didn't consider my question from the previous post, egg-breath. (Switch "egg" or "dairy" for meat): "Given that meat is not a physiological necessity...and so you are supporting people killing animals unnecessarily...does it make a difference to you whether people kill the animal for fun sport (bullfighting, sport fishing, songbird target practice) vs. for fun food (tasty pizza toppings, mouth-watering burgers, tender fish)?"

Stay on topic please, if you CAN.

GAA! I don't want to fake argue with you, Sugar! (I just can't do it long, can I!

. I was lacto-ovo vegetarian for many years, and I know some of the reasons going vegan can be difficult or a concern. It took me several years to do switch to a vegan diet even after I realized that people kill the millions of male chicks who are the brothers of the egg-laying hens. Even after I knew that veal calves are not allowed contact with each other and then are killed, just so I could enjoy ice cream.

But seriously, Sugar, have you considered veganism and why or why not? Do you look at it in this way: ovo-lacto vegetarianism doesn't directly involve killing the animals at that moment, although, of course, people eventually kill the egg-laying hens and cows?

It's not like that at all.
I'd love to be vegan.
But it's difficult when you're in college, and when you go home and everyone eats meat.
When I have my own place and make my own money and buy my own food, I'll consider it.
I really do care about animals.
P.S. Did I say my sister became a vegetarian? [=

Mojo · 05-11-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Oh! There have been posts deleted from this thread?!? Would I ever love to see those, mojo! Now I'm curious...what did they say?

Ive only seen a few from the last 10 pages or so but i would put good money on there being a lot, lot more in the 35 before that!

VEGANGELICA · 05-11-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

It's not like that at all.
I'd love to be vegan.
But it's difficult when you're in college, and when you go home and everyone eats meat.
When I have my own place and make my own money and buy my own food, I'll consider it.I really do care about animals.
P.S. Did I say my sister became a vegetarian? [=

Yep...I relate to all those reasons. My college had great ovo-lacto food but not vegan. Thanks for answering. I know you really do care about animals, sweetie.

And no, I didn't know your sister became a vegetarian! When? Why? Are her reasons like yours? She's your little sister, right? How exciting! Are you going to throw her one of those secret vegetarian initiation parties newcomers get?...WHOOPS! Did I just say that out loud?!

P.S. Make sure to teach her the vegetarian handshake!

Arya Stark · 05-11-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Yep...I relate to all those reasons. My college had great ovo-lacto food but not vegan. Thanks for answering. I know you really do care about animals, sweetie.

And no, I didn't know your sister became a vegetarian! When? Why? Are her reasons like yours? She's your little sister, right? How exciting! Are you going to throw her one of those secret vegetarian initiation parties newcomers get?...WHOOPS! Did I just say that out loud?!

P.S. Make sure to teach her the vegetarian handshake!

Yeah, she's my little sister. She's becoming a vegetarian a few months earlier than I did when I was her age, I think. Or maybe the same time.
She watched some videos about dolphin killings in Japan, and she felt really bad.
She didn't eat that much meat, so it's not too difficult for her.

No Erica, we haven't thrown it. But way to give it away.

Mojo · 05-11-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper

I may be the "moron" but you're the idiot that lets the "moron" get under your skin.

I should have just let you explain to these people why this thread takes alot of modding.

Did i call you a moron? Did i mention your name? Did i mention anyones name? I think you will find the answer to all of the above is no.

Dont flatter yourself, you arent getting under my skin. However you do have an attitude. I dont care if you have an attitude or not because frankly I couldnt give a toss but please feel free to continue down this path and i'll give you some time off to consider whether you would like to re-think your demeanour on this site.

FETCHER. · 05-11-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

That's fine, Erica.
You're stupid because you're a vegan.
I'm going to shove eggs in your face.

I lol'd, I am a twisted bastard.

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 05-11-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper

I guess I am using the word "press" in the wrong context. Because I don't know how I can make this any clearer. I am not telling anyone to respond the way I do (I know it's stupid and ignorant) but it's something I have picked up to purposely piss off people regarding the subject. And it works, judged by all the responses.
When I purposely order a cheeseburger in front of the vegan and continue to talk about how delicious the creature was, I am not encouraging others to do the same. If they do, however, that is their own action.

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And it's your own action to choose to be a douche about it, I suppose. Personally, if someone wants to eat a greasy ass cheeseburger in front of me, you know yourself the **** out, I don't really give a ****. But to go to the extent where you're telling me how delicious it is, is like me going over the nitty gritty of my menstrual cycle with you. Actually, that's a great idea. Next time I come across an obnoxious meat eater, I'm going to give them all the lovelies about my last visit from Aunt Flo

Arya Stark · 05-11-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

And it's your own action to choose to be a douche about it, I suppose. Personally, if someone wants to eat a greasy ass cheeseburger in front of me, you know yourself the **** out, I don't really give a ****. But to go to the extent where you're telling me how delicious it is, is like me going over the nitty gritty of my menstrual cycle with you. Actually, that's a great idea. Next time I come across an obnoxious meat eater, I'm going to give them all the lovelies about my last visit from Aunt Flo

Oh my god, I'm so excited.

NumberNineDream · 05-11-2010, 11:59 PM

The first month I switched, I hated telling to people that I don't eat meat, cz it kind of forced them to think of my eating options wherever we went. Although it's a nice gesture, it kind of made me guilty and nervous more than anything else.

Anyway, last week, at the latest family dinner, my mum made veggie lasagna... that surprisingly everyone enjoyed. It was the first time I didn't feel like eating some fixed up leftovers. It was nice.

Finally, after deciding to not kill animals on purpose (a decision I made 4 months ago), and seems for now I killed a mosquito by mistake, while scratching my back. An ant that has been walking near food, and that I tried to keep away, and 3 mosquitos, last week, and very much on purpose now that Summer has started (stupid global warming). Weirdly enough, I've been looking at cockroaches with peace, instead of running away screaming for help.

So that was my update, for my first 4 months as a veggie.
P.S: I have to admit that I cheated and ate a burger after a month from my decision, and the night following that incident, was one of the awfullest nights of my life.

Guybrush · 05-12-2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NumberNineDream

P.S: I have to admit that I cheated and ate a burger after a month from my decision, and the night following that incident, was one of the awfullest nights of my life.

Why was it awful? Because of feelings of guilt or because you got nauseous?

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