Is Meat Really Murder?

Arya Stark · 05-11-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

You didn't consider my question from the previous post, egg-breath. (Switch "egg" or "dairy" for meat): "Given that meat is not a physiological necessity...and so you are supporting people killing animals unnecessarily...does it make a difference to you whether people kill the animal for fun sport (bullfighting, sport fishing, songbird target practice) vs. for fun food (tasty pizza toppings, mouth-watering burgers, tender fish)?"

Stay on topic please, if you CAN.

GAA! I don't want to fake argue with you, Sugar! (I just can't do it long, can I!

. I was lacto-ovo vegetarian for many years, and I know some of the reasons going vegan can be difficult or a concern. It took me several years to do switch to a vegan diet even after I realized that people kill the millions of male chicks who are the brothers of the egg-laying hens. Even after I knew that veal calves are not allowed contact with each other and then are killed, just so I could enjoy ice cream.

But seriously, Sugar, have you considered veganism and why or why not? Do you look at it in this way: ovo-lacto vegetarianism doesn't directly involve killing the animals at that moment, although, of course, people eventually kill the egg-laying hens and cows?

It's not like that at all.
I'd love to be vegan.
But it's difficult when you're in college, and when you go home and everyone eats meat.
When I have my own place and make my own money and buy my own food, I'll consider it.
I really do care about animals.
P.S. Did I say my sister became a vegetarian? [=

VEGANGELICA · 05-11-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

It's not like that at all.
I'd love to be vegan.
But it's difficult when you're in college, and when you go home and everyone eats meat.
When I have my own place and make my own money and buy my own food, I'll consider it.I really do care about animals.
P.S. Did I say my sister became a vegetarian? [=

Yep...I relate to all those reasons. My college had great ovo-lacto food but not vegan. Thanks for answering. I know you really do care about animals, sweetie.

And no, I didn't know your sister became a vegetarian! When? Why? Are her reasons like yours? She's your little sister, right? How exciting! Are you going to throw her one of those secret vegetarian initiation parties newcomers get?...WHOOPS! Did I just say that out loud?!

P.S. Make sure to teach her the vegetarian handshake!

Arya Stark · 05-11-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Yep...I relate to all those reasons. My college had great ovo-lacto food but not vegan. Thanks for answering. I know you really do care about animals, sweetie.

And no, I didn't know your sister became a vegetarian! When? Why? Are her reasons like yours? She's your little sister, right? How exciting! Are you going to throw her one of those secret vegetarian initiation parties newcomers get?...WHOOPS! Did I just say that out loud?!

P.S. Make sure to teach her the vegetarian handshake!

Yeah, she's my little sister. She's becoming a vegetarian a few months earlier than I did when I was her age, I think. Or maybe the same time.
She watched some videos about dolphin killings in Japan, and she felt really bad.
She didn't eat that much meat, so it's not too difficult for her.

No Erica, we haven't thrown it. But way to give it away.

FETCHER. · 05-11-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

That's fine, Erica.
You're stupid because you're a vegan.
I'm going to shove eggs in your face.

I lol'd, I am a twisted bastard.

Mojo · 05-11-2010, 09:27 AM

I recognise that alot of people like this thread, so im not closing it. Im just pointing out the fact that it needs modding alot and i know alot of mods get fed up with having to action this one. I wouldnt be surprised if it gets closed if it continues down that same road. Most threads requiring so many posts to be deleted and so many idiots warned or accounts deleted would have gone the journey a while ago.

VEGANGELICA · 05-11-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

I recognise that alot of people like this thread, so im not closing it. Im just pointing out the fact that it needs modding alot and i know alot of mods get fed up with having to action this one. I wouldnt be surprised if it gets closed if it continues down that same road. Most threads requiring so many posts to be deleted and so many idiots warned or accounts deleted would have gone the journey a while ago.

Oh! There have been posts deleted from this thread?!? Would I ever love to see those, mojo! Now I'm curious...what did they say?

Mojo · 05-11-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Oh! There have been posts deleted from this thread?!? Would I ever love to see those, mojo! Now I'm curious...what did they say?

Ive only seen a few from the last 10 pages or so but i would put good money on there being a lot, lot more in the 35 before that!

NumberNineDream · 05-11-2010, 10:59 PM

The first month I switched, I hated telling to people that I don't eat meat, cz it kind of forced them to think of my eating options wherever we went. Although it's a nice gesture, it kind of made me guilty and nervous more than anything else.

Anyway, last week, at the latest family dinner, my mum made veggie lasagna... that surprisingly everyone enjoyed. It was the first time I didn't feel like eating some fixed up leftovers. It was nice.

Finally, after deciding to not kill animals on purpose (a decision I made 4 months ago), and seems for now I killed a mosquito by mistake, while scratching my back. An ant that has been walking near food, and that I tried to keep away, and 3 mosquitos, last week, and very much on purpose now that Summer has started (stupid global warming). Weirdly enough, I've been looking at cockroaches with peace, instead of running away screaming for help.

So that was my update, for my first 4 months as a veggie.
P.S: I have to admit that I cheated and ate a burger after a month from my decision, and the night following that incident, was one of the awfullest nights of my life.

Guybrush · 05-12-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NumberNineDream

P.S: I have to admit that I cheated and ate a burger after a month from my decision, and the night following that incident, was one of the awfullest nights of my life.

Why was it awful? Because of feelings of guilt or because you got nauseous?

NumberNineDream · 05-12-2010, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Why was it awful? Because of feelings of guilt or because you got nauseous?

Well I couldn't sleep, and felt very warm and itchy... plus it was the first time, in weeks, that mosquitoes prevent me from sleeping. I was weirdly irritated, and I don't know if it's guilt or just some physical symptoms, cause the first can trigger the latter.

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