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I think the tragedy at the fort has shocked her and evoked strong feelings.
Naturally, as it's so close to home.
It's easy for us to detach ourselves at a distance.

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Beautifully put zoon.

SATCHMO

I think you are doing your best to misconstrue Savannah's statement and intentions.

I don't see anything in her statement that implies that Muslims are inherently bad, that Islam is inherently wrong, or that anyone in our country should be mistreated on the basis of their religious creed.

She simply states that because one of the principle tenets of Islam's ideology is "kill the infidel", and it is. it is generally counter-intuitive and a risk to national security to allow anyone that adheres to that particular ideology to be in a position of defending our national security.

Yes, it's America, I know, and we all wanna' be shiny happy ****ing people holding hands all the time, I'm Ok You're Ok, but there is a point where that cozy warm blanket of political correctness needs to be disregarded when it conflicts so strongly with our own security interests.

Janszoon

Source?

I'm scared of Christians, can we ban them too?

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adidasss

It's no more the principle tenet of Islam than killing adulterers and homosexuals is the principle tenet of Christianity. Come now, Satch...

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SATCHMO

Despite the fact that I am what can loosely be considered a Christian, I am at the same time scared of them just as you are. I also think that if the Christian ideology was found to be in direct conflict of interest with national security, I would say my answer to your question would be "yes".

adidasss

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SATCHMO

You are correct, and if a Muslim's faith is healthy and their perspective on that faith is accurate and residing at a higher energy level that promotes peace and understanding, then it's fair to say that no unjust violence should come from being a Muslim or following the Qur'an.

However, The terrorists that pose a security threat to our country have a single common denominator. They are Muslims who happen to have a very unhealthy and agressively violent understanding of what the principle tenets of Islam inform them to be their religious obligation to Allah, and they have the intent to carry out what they perceive that obligation to be. In many, and I daresay most cases that particular outlook is the result of religious manipulation on behalf of a religious leader. Yes, cases of this are also rampant in Christianity. Yes, Christianity has been the root of violence within our country and abroad. However, if we are correct in our understanding, which we are, that these terrorist acts of violence toward our country are religiously motivated, be it rational or irrational, it makes little to no sense to allow people who even loosely adhere to the same religious ideology to be in the position of defending and possibly infiltrating our national security.

Janszoon

I'm sure we could find something equally awful in the Bible but it doesn't mean these religions are necessarily defined by violence for all or even most of their adherents.

I'm sure you know I was being facetious about banning Christians, but my point is simply that you can't really make blanket decisions like this about people based on some vague notion of their religious beliefs. I think people are too quick to reach for simple explanations whenever something like this happens, and I believe this helps no one and only serves to flames of hatred and prejudice. Yesterday, another disgruntled wackjob shot up his former employer's office in Orlando. Would it be productive or relevant to discuss the fact that he's hispanic or what his religious beliefs are?

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Necromancer

Maybe we should fear the liberals who control the far left of politics?.....or the conservatives that control the far right?.....instead of religious beliefs .... (as for myself).....I am Fearless!..period. "Though I walk through the valley of death, I fear no evil....For I am the badest mother ****er in the valley".