hey you texans

savannah · 11-06-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Indeed.
But hopefully something comes out of the investigation that we can actually use to educate ourselves and at least make it less likely for the event to happen again.
We can't do a major lot for the likelihood of people flipping out, nor can we do much for an ideology, but if there's any connection to something we can control about our own actions, I'd hope this incident serves as a catalyst to that.

i think youre wrong when you say we cant do much for an ideology
we can expel that ideology

i feel as though the political correctness we now adhear to tears down everything the greatest generation gave us, everything they worked for, everything they won for us

the idea of freedom, justice, good

while i would never condone the mistreatment of a person based on their religious beliefs, i can condone not allowing them to be in a position that would give them access to eradicate a country that i hold so dear

muslims are taught to kill the infidel
i am the infidel
if you are not muslim you are the infidel

the country our military protects is a country of infidels,....

i strenuously believe that is what happened here

again i'll say:

to be born into freedom is a mistake
to live in freedom is a struggle
to die for freedom is an obligation

the american military protects my freedom, so of course it would be my sensibility to want to protect that entity

if that is a conclusion i have jumped to, or blatant fact is debatable,...though i fear it is the former

Freebase Dali · 11-06-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by savannah

i think youre wrong when you say we cant do much for an ideology
we can expel that ideology

i feel as though the political correctness we now adhear to tears down everything the greatest generation gave us, everything they worked for, everything they won for us

the idea of freedom, justice, good

while i would never condone the mistreatment of a person based on their religious beliefs, i can condone not allowing them to be in a position that would give them access to eradicate a country that i hold so dear

muslims are taught to kill the infidel
i am the infidel
if you are not muslim you are the infidel

the country our military protects is a country of infidels,....

i strenuously believe that is what happened here

again i'll say:

to be born into freedom is a mistake
to live in freedom is a struggle
to die for freedom is an obligation

the american military protects my freedom, so of course it would be my sensibility to want to protect that entity

if that is a conclusion i have jumped to, or blatant fact is debatable,...though i fear it is the former

All Muslims don't believe in killing infidels. You're thinking of an extremist ideology. To accuse all people of Islamic faith that they're all out to kill others who don't fall in line with their beliefs, based on a line from the Qur'an or based on the actions of a relatively small minority associated with the Islamic faith, is ignorant. It's like saying that since there is a relatively publicized portion of African American males that commit robberies, all African American males are criminal thieves.
I'm not sure if you misstated what you said, or I misinterpreted it, but that's my response for that anyway.

That said, you should probably know that our own country eradicates itself FAR more than external forces do. There is SO much more internal violence against ourselves in this country that FAR outweighs the actions perpetrated by people of other nations, whether inside or outside this country.
Criminals in this country don't respect the ideals you respect, just like the supposed terrorists don't. Respect is achieved from action, not what some dumb-ass hicks put on billboards and flags while they screw the country over with their selfish desires and inadequacies, hanging off the government tit and killing each other over a five dollar bill.

If you wanna call this the good life, you go ahead.
I personally think that if there's anything to be learned from angst against America, it's gained from the ability to stop being so goddamned self-important and realizing that we're not the most important, best idea since sliced bread and the fucking thong.

I'm just saddened to say that since this bullshit ass scare tactic that went down on 911, not to make light of the tragedy, the west has been cleverly fucked in the bong hole because this entire firestorm of paranoia that will in no way die down soon whether attacks on the "US" stops or not.
Terrorism, the concept, is the next generation of control whether you like it or not.
You can patriot your way into dwindling freedom, or not.
Either way, there's only one thing that's guaranteed... There will be less. Not more.
And it's not a result of "terrorists".

"Terrorists" are just a damn easy way to make people like you believe it is.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 11-06-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships

I don't mean to sound like a racist but, did you catch his name?

He's Muslium too. Let's see, Arab name/ethinicity?, Muslium - he must be a terrorist right?

savannah · 11-06-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

All Muslims don't believe in killing infidels. You're thinking of an extremist ideology. To accuse all people of Islamic faith that they're all out to kill others who don't fall in line with their beliefs, based on a line from the Qur'an or based on the actions of a relatively small minority associated with the Islamic faith, is ignorant. It's like saying that since there is a relatively publicized portion of African American males that commit robberies, all African American males are criminal thieves.
I'm not sure if you misstated what you said, or I misinterpreted it, but that's my response for that anyway.

i dont believe it is relatively small, have you read the qur'an? because i did, right after sept 11
i was enraged by all the people ignorately persucuteing a whole people based on relegious faith,....i've always been very religiously tollerant and growin up in the bible belt that can be a hard row to hoe,...so i sat down and read it myself,....
i believe what you call belief of a small sect is a much larger faith base
and to compare religious ideology, to racial prejudice is like building a house on quick sand,....find another argument

That said, you should probably know that our own country eradicates itself FAR more than external forces do. There is SO much more internal violence against ourselves in this country that FAR outweighs the actions perpetrated by people of other nations, whether inside or outside this country.
Criminals in this country don't respect the ideals you respect, just like the supposed terrorists don't. Respect is achieved from action, not what some dumb-ass hicks put on billboards and flags while they screw the country over with their selfish desires and inadequacies, hanging off the government tit and killing each other over a five dollar bill.

im well aware of the shortcomings of my own country, and in that same grass roots "dumb ass hick" mind frame you so eloquently compared me to, i try and change it,....though i see nothing wrong with my patriotism

If you wanna call this the good life, you go ahead.
I personally think that if there's anything to be learned from angst against America, it's gained from the ability to stop being so goddamned self-important and realizing that we're not the most important, best idea since sliced bread and the fucking thong.

I'm just saddened to say that since this bullshit ass scare tactic that went down on 911, not to make light of the tragedy, the west has been cleverly fucked in the bong hole because this entire firestorm of paranoia that will in no way die down soon whether attacks on the "US" stops or not.
Terrorism, the concept, is the next generation of control whether you like it or not.
You can patriot your way into dwindling freedom, or not.
Either way, there's only one thing that's guaranteed... There will be less. Not more.
And it's not a result of "terrorists".

"Terrorists" are just a damn easy way to make people like you believe it is.

i assure you i'm sorry that you sell me so short, yes, i understand that this is not the 'good life' but is it wrong for me to believe that it is,...is it wrong for me to try and hold on to whatever glimpse of it i can catch,.....

i'm extremely proud of this country, i feel as though i can make it a better place, through understanding, education, social and personal responsibility
to me that includes speaking out against those who i feel threaten it

i never said that muslims were evil, i never said they were all terrorist, i never said throw them out of the country,.....what i did say is i believe they have a basic ideology that conflicts with that of the role of solider

god grant me the courage not to give up what i think is right even though i think it is hopeless - nimitz

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Barnard17 · 11-07-2009, 02:47 AM

How do you test for such extremes of belief, how do you prove it. How do you tell the difference between a conscientious objector and someone with fundamentalist ideals. How do you do this without asking them to their face?

I don't know a massive amount about the events but the more I read about it the stronger the impression I get was that this wasn't part of some organised terrorist activity but a very angry, confused and misguided person snapping and doing something incredibly twisted as a result. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that was months in thep lanning with an orgnised cell.

adidasss · 11-07-2009, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

All Muslims don't believe in killing infidels. You're thinking of an extremist ideology. To accuse all people of Islamic faith that they're all out to kill others who don't fall in line with their beliefs, based on a line from the Qur'an or based on the actions of a relatively small minority associated with the Islamic faith, is ignorant. It's like saying that since there is a relatively publicized portion of African American males that commit robberies, all African American males are criminal thieves.
I'm not sure if you misstated what you said, or I misinterpreted it, but that's my response for that anyway.

That said, you should probably know that our own country eradicates itself FAR more than external forces do. There is SO much more internal violence against ourselves in this country that FAR outweighs the actions perpetrated by people of other nations, whether inside or outside this country.
Criminals in this country don't respect the ideals you respect, just like the supposed terrorists don't. Respect is achieved from action, not what some dumb-ass hicks put on billboards and flags while they screw the country over with their selfish desires and inadequacies, hanging off the government tit and killing each other over a five dollar bill.

If you wanna call this the good life, you go ahead.
I personally think that if there's anything to be learned from angst against America, it's gained from the ability to stop being so goddamned self-important and realizing that we're not the most important, best idea since sliced bread and the fucking thong.

I'm just saddened to say that since this bullshit ass scare tactic that went down on 911, not to make light of the tragedy, the west has been cleverly fucked in the bong hole because this entire firestorm of paranoia that will in no way die down soon whether attacks on the "US" stops or not.
Terrorism, the concept, is the next generation of control whether you like it or not.
You can patriot your way into dwindling freedom, or not.
Either way, there's only one thing that's guaranteed... There will be less. Not more.
And it's not a result of "terrorists".

"Terrorists" are just a damn easy way to make people like you believe it is.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

**Janszoon** · 11-07-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Did they ever say whether he converted to Islam, or what?
'Cause homeboy looks whiter than ghost shit. Fat too, so definitely American.

Well according to another MB thread Qatar, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia are the top three fattest countries in the world so...

**Janszoon** · 11-07-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by savannah

i think youre wrong when you say we cant do much for an ideology
we can expel that ideology

i feel as though the political correctness we now adhear to tears down everything the greatest generation gave us, everything they worked for, everything they won for us

the idea of freedom, justice, good

while i would never condone the mistreatment of a person based on their religious beliefs, i can condone not allowing them to be in a position that would give them access to eradicate a country that i hold so dear

muslims are taught to kill the infidel
i am the infidel
if you are not muslim you are the infidel

the country our military protects is a country of infidels,....

i strenuously believe that is what happened here

again i'll say:

to be born into freedom is a mistake
to live in freedom is a struggle
to die for freedom is an obligation

the american military protects my freedom, so of course it would be my sensibility to want to protect that entity

if that is a conclusion i have jumped to, or blatant fact is debatable,...though i fear it is the former

Is it just me or is this post a lot of words with very little content? Honestly, what are you even talking about?

adidasss · 11-07-2009, 07:24 AM

I think she doesn't want Muslims in America...

**Janszoon** · 11-07-2009, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I think she doesn't want Muslims in America...

The funny part is that she basically says that in so many words and then immediately tries to pretend she's not being a reactionary xenophobe by saying she'd never condone mistreating someone based on their religious beliefs. And then she follows that up by saying that she is in favor of mistreating people based on their religious beliefs. What an exciting merry-go-round of statements!

11-07-2009, 02:47 AM	#55 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	How do you test for such extremes of belief, how do you prove it. How do you tell the difference between a conscientious objector and someone with fundamentalist ideals. How do you do this without asking them to their face? I don't know a massive amount about the events but the more I read about it the stronger the impression I get was that this wasn't part of some organised terrorist activity but a very angry, confused and misguided person snapping and doing something incredibly twisted as a result. It doesn't look like the sort of thing that was months in thep lanning with an orgnised cell. __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

11-07-2009, 07:24 AM	#59 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	I think she doesn't want Muslims in America... __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm