hey you texans

FETCHER. · 11-09-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NumberNineDream

That's why it's so difficult for me to get a visiting VISA to the USA. *kissing my chance to visit Mulholland Drive goodbye*

So because your ethnicy it's made extremely difficult for you to get a Visa to simply visit the USA? Thats out of order.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

My friends boyfriend who's Saudi Arabian, had to apply for a Visa to STOP OVER in Australia for 2 hours on his way back to Saudi Arabia. Is that not extremely ignorant? He's been living in New Zealand for 3 years for goodness sake.

As is this example. I find it extremely difficult to see why these procedures were ever accepted without knowing it's obviously somewhat offensive. It defeats me honestly. Btw, my aunt moved to Dubai, Saudi Arabia, never been though. It's an extremely beautiful place. Even though the laws are difficult.

Barnard17 · 11-09-2009, 11:50 AM

Hizbollah is a Lebanese organisation which, if I recall correctly, the Government of the US considers to be a terrorist group. So it's probably only slightly easier than for an Afghan to get a visa.

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Originally Posted by savannah

what i did say was i do not believe the ideology of islam matches up with that i personally want in the american military

And if you read everything in the Bible and take it all literally you get the same thing. How much should I sell my daughter for? Raping the women folk of the enemy to demoralise them? Marching around the city blowing trumpets until their walls fall down? The point is with nearly any religion it's important to consider the relevance the text has to the modern day and the meaning it will have on our lives rather than to take it all literally and live strictly by it.

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Originally Posted by right-track

The commander of the base, Lt Gen Robert Cone, told NBC News that, according to eyewitnesses, Mr Hasan had shouted the Arabic phrase "Allahu Akbar!" [God is great] before opening fire.
Mr Obama cautioned against "jumping to conclusions" and said the motives for the shooting were being investigated.

Missed this earlier. I think jumping to conclusions is probably more relevant when you consider it as a defence against Islamophobic backlash and assuming the shooting was a part of some collective Muslim psyche. The more information is divulged about the shooting the more it looks like a one off irrational instant enacted by a very troubled person.

right-track · 11-09-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnard17

Missed this earlier. I think jumping to conclusions is probably more relevant when you consider it as a defence against Islamophobic backlash and assuming the shooting was a part of some collective Muslim psyche. The more information is divulged about the shooting the more it looks like a one off irrational instant enacted by a very troubled person.

I still have more than a sneaking suspicion that the incident in Afghanistan, where 5 British soldier instructors were shot dead by the trainee policeman (undercover Taliban fighter), may have been the trigger for what happened at the fort. He's almost certain to have heard this news.
The Afghan incident happened only two days prior and to an unstable mind...

Barnard17 · 11-09-2009, 12:25 PM

I think he was probably at least on the verge of doing the act anyway. Plainly he's an extremely cracked person, at best it was copycat rather than as a part of some organised movement (at least in the case of Malik, not the Afghan).

bigtex · 11-09-2009, 12:28 PM

this is scary stuff...my prof was telling me hood and carson reminded him of the stories coming out of vietnam...gotta take a break from this fighting

right-track · 11-09-2009, 12:29 PM

Didn't the original story include a second shooter?
The way I heard it when the news broke, was one shooter dead and the other cornered in a building...

Barnard17 · 11-09-2009, 12:31 PM

I do recall something about a second shooter but nothing so specific about him being cornered. All later news reports seem to exclude this so it may have been confusion at the point that someone else turned up and started firing back.

right-track · 11-09-2009, 01:01 PM

It's all rather strange because they (high ranking US military spokesman) also 'confirmed' that one of the shooters had been shot dead too.

savannah · 11-09-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Didn't the original story include a second shooter?
The way I heard it when the news broke, was one shooter dead and the other cornered in a building...

we've not heard anything about the other two since that night, and now they are just sayin they werw questioning them, who knows

i find it very interesting that they reported the shooter as dead,.....and well,...he aint

kouki · 11-09-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnard17

And if you read everything in the Bible and take it all literally you get the same thing. How much should I sell my daughter for? Raping the women folk of the enemy to demoralise them? Marching around the city blowing trumpets until their walls fall down? The point is with nearly any religion it's important to consider the relevance the text has to the modern day and the meaning it will have on our lives rather than to take it all literally and live strictly by it

Yup,all religions show some sort of crazy form of "justice". Do you guys think we should change our money(usa) and pledge of allegiance? "One nation under **** and money "in ***** we trust? Just seperate religion and gov once and for all. What would you put in there? jk

11-09-2009, 12:25 PM	#94 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	I think he was probably at least on the verge of doing the act anyway. Plainly he's an extremely cracked person, at best it was copycat rather than as a part of some organised movement (at least in the case of Malik, not the Afghan). __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

11-09-2009, 12:31 PM	#97 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 204	I do recall something about a second shooter but nothing so specific about him being cornered. All later news reports seem to exclude this so it may have been confusion at the point that someone else turned up and started firing back. __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

11-09-2009, 12:28 PM	#95 (permalink)
bigtex Groupie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 19	this is scary stuff...my prof was telling me hood and carson reminded him of the stories coming out of vietnam...gotta take a break from this fighting

11-09-2009, 12:29 PM	#96 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	Didn't the original story include a second shooter? The way I heard it when the news broke, was one shooter dead and the other cornered in a building...

11-09-2009, 01:01 PM	#98 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	It's all rather strange because they (high ranking US military spokesman) also 'confirmed' that one of the shooters had been shot dead too.