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Old 10-14-2009, 02:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Actually, I knew the crunch hypothesis is quite old and abandoned. It was still the only prediction I really knew about. Thanks again for the answers.

Am I the only one wondering about stuff though?
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i always wonder how humans actually work. i do know how they work. but i want to know what causes the chemical reactions, and how it all just happens? followin' me? its kind of hard to explain
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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i always wonder how humans actually work. i do know how they work. but i want to know what causes the chemical reactions, and how it all just happens? followin' me? its kind of hard to explain
That's a hard question because it's extremely general and could touch on a wide variety of subjects and if you wanna get into the intricacies of it all, of course then we don't know everything yet and you could devote years of study to something like that. It's still possible to summarize the very basics. You might know them, but I could try and sum them up

Humans are made up of many cells. Each cell came from a splitting parent cell, so cells are made by cells. The inside of the cells are somewhat closed to the outside environment by a membrane and they have a core where you find DNA. Now we've split humans up into three parts, humans - cell - DNA.

DNA are very long molecules made up of 4 repeating parts and you can imagine it almost as a long double strand of letters (A, C, G, T).
AGCTTCGTC
GATCCTACT
These letters are complementary (a C on one side means a T on the other) and can be read like a code. The DNA codes for proteins. The chemical processes in your body are catalyzed by enzymes which are proteins whose blueprints are found in the DNA.

Not all the DNA is used in all cells. Different cells use different genes to produce different proteins that do different jobs, f.ex facilitate different chemical reactions. The reading and translation from DNA to proteins is also done by proteins.

This is pretty inaccurate and simplified, but to summarize : Humans are made from a blueprint in their cells called DNA. The DNA codes for proteins which are large molecules that do jobs like facilitating chemical reactions in your body. Different cells produce different proteins which is why they are different. All the cells together (liver cells, muscle cells, skin cells) make up a human.

The first cell containing your DNA and which first started splitting into the multitude of cells that make up you came from your parents and theirs came from their ancestors and so it goes backwards in time until the start of your lineage thousands of millions of years ago.


I've tried to keep this simple on purpose and while I don't think it answers your question, perhaps it'll help you formulate a new one.
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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DNA are very long molecules made up of 4 repeating parts and you can imagine it almost as a long double strand of letters (A, C, G, T).
AGCTTCGTC
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These letters are complementary (a C on one side means a T on the other) and can be read like a code. The DNA codes for proteins. The chemical processes in your body are catalyzed by enzymes which are proteins whose blueprints are found in the DNA.
Just to nitpick, A (adenine) is complementary to T (thymine) and G (guanine) is complementary to C (cytosine). Triplets of these also code for amino acids, which in turn generate chains of protein with specific structures related to their function. Just to elaborate.

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it was the sections which included humans in which i was most interested in. as i wanted to know how and why everything in a human works, but what starts it all off? is the mother/baby relationship basically like jumpstarting a car?
Hello kayleigh, I would say that with humans it begins with sex and that a new individual forming is more like an avalanche than jumpstarting a car. Once an egg and sperm cell...both individual, free-living cells...unite to form a single cell (kind of like the reverse of eating!), the cell divides to form two cells, and each of those divide, and so on and so on....like a tumor, but with organized structures. I view there as being no "beginning" of a human because the egg and sperm that united to become what would grow into me were also "me" in the sense that they were alive and I continue their life. Many embryos (perhaps 1/3rd, I recall reading) have defects causing them to die before a person even realizes she is pregnant. When you ask about how a human works, do you mean you are interested in how all the embryonic cells divide and move around to create the different parts of a baby human?

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Just to nitpick, A (adenine) is complementary to T (thymine) and G (guanine) is complementary to C (cytosine). Triplets of these also code for amino acids, which in turn generate chains of protein with specific structures related to their function. Just to elaborate.

Oh, good catch, dollarsandcents! I just sort of bleeped right over whether the fake DNA sequence correctly used complementary nucleotides on annealing strands!
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Hello kayleigh, I would say that with humans it begins with sex and that a new individual forming is more like an avalanche than jumpstarting a car. Once an egg and sperm cell...both individual, free-living cells...unite to form a single cell (kind of like the reverse of eating!), the cell divides to form two cells, and each of those divide, and so on and so on....like a tumor, but with organized structures. I view there as being no "beginning" of a human because the egg and sperm that united to become what would grow into me were also "me" in the sense that they were alive and I continue their life. Many embryos (perhaps 1/3rd, I recall reading) have defects causing them to die before a person even realizes she is pregnant. When you ask about how a human works, do you mean you are interested in how all the embryonic cells divide and move around to create the different parts of a baby human?
no its not that, ive learned all that , its what drives the body to actually work. what is there, that makes the body does what it does, its hard to explain, once i find the right words i will come back cos its crossing wires right now

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Just to nitpick, A (adenine) is complementary to T (thymine) and G (guanine) is complementary to C (cytosine). Triplets of these also code for amino acids, which in turn generate chains of protein with specific structures related to their function. Just to elaborate.

show off! im surprised you never mentioned the replacement of Thymine by Uracil in RNA .
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show off! im surprised you never mentioned the replacement of Thymine by Uracil in RNA .
The central dogma, duh!

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Just to nitpick, A (adenine) is complementary to T (thymine) and G (guanine) is complementary to C (cytosine).
What? I know that of course. How could I get that wrong? Embarassing

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no its not that, ive learned all that , its what drives the body to actually work. what is there, that makes the body does what it does, its hard to explain, once i find the right words i will come back cos its crossing wires right now
Hm, it is quite hard to understand what you are asking.

Let's try something different. In nature, you can have evolution. Put a bit simply, it's something that happens when you have things which can replicate, can change (for better or worse) and compete for resources. Organisms are not the only things which can be said to evolve. As an example, fashion can evolve. The fashion ideas can replicate in that they can spread from person to person, they can change and give rise to modified or new ideas and there are only so many customers to buy them. Customers are a bit choosy, so some clothes made from certain ideas will sell better than others and vice versa. Some fashion ideas will die out while others live on and change into new ideas in the future.

The basic common scientific hypothesis for how life started is that early on, what would become life were molecules, nucleic acids like DNA and/or RNA, that were able to change like they do today by mutation. They could also replicate, but this required resources that they were competing for. Maybe they existed only in the tiniest cracks, the tiniest spaces where the chemical processes on which they were dependent on were protected enough for it to work. Quite possibly, replication in the early phase wasn't easy and would often yield mutated, broken copies. Mutation outside of replication could also be dangerous. However, on rare occasions one would change in a way that it improved or gained a new ability that overall made it a bit more succesful at replicating itself than the others - for example a chemical process included in getting resources was made more stable. The most successful would produce more copies and would more often pass those good qualities on to their offspring. Although you probably wouldn't consider them to be "alive" at the earliest stage, they were evolving - improving and gaining abilities over generations.

There could be different strategies, some could work together, some could perhaps utilize more aggressive tactics and destroy others, some could perhaps parasitize others. Let's not get swamped with details, though - the point is that when something like this starts evolving, you get a rise order and complexity. It's simply a matter of cause and consequence. Eventually, over countless generations, one of these proto-lineages evolved into us and a multitude of other organisms (okay, we got bits of viral/prokaryote DNA as well and there are horizontal gene transfer events in life's history and so on, but to keep it simple).

I don't think you're asking for an explanation on evolution or how life came around, but important from early on were certain chemical processes on which proto-life depended upon. Without such processes, they would not be able to replicate. As Erica wrote, your own life comes from your parents life which came from their parents life again. There's a "living" unbroken chain of these chemical processes going on in your ancestors down to the very earliest proto-life of your earliest ancestors. As Erica wrote, humans are not so much starts as they are continuations. If you wanna know where your "life processes" really started, you have to dig very deep indeed - back to life's start.

I hope that gives just a slight bit more insight!

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Hah, skimming over it I see I've basically repeated some of the points already made and a point I myself tried to make in my first answer. Oh well, if this doesn't answer your question, perhaps it narrows it down a bit.
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I'm not sure why so many people are worried about what is going to happen to the universe in tens of billions of years.

I don't think anyone here is gonna be around that long, except Urban, his hatred for everything is so powerful that it has made him immortal.
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I'm not sure why so many people are worried about what is going to happen to the universe in tens of billions of years.
Do they though? Don't think I ever met someone who worries about that.
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