i have study brain, sry.

and i swear to god if you keep relying on this student loan thing to try and make an argument i never made i will **** your mother until she has a heart attack.

i rely on student loans to get me through school. other people rely on student loans to get them through school. if Batlord wanted to be a doctor, he could rely on student loans to get him through school. i didn't even mention their affect(e?) afterwards nor do i see how you think i recommended them. i did touch on the fact that he could work and save money to help him pay for a post-secondary education in his current situation though.

you're taking my argument, drawing your own twisted interpretation from them, and then trying to corner me into saying i meant something that i never said. really weird debate tactic imo and if you wanted this discussion to go anywhere you could've dropped this point like 3 pages ago.

Yeah, yes, ultimately you can not get yourself out of a ****ty situation without trying. Obviously. Even in a pure communist society you do actually have to do something like grow crops or some ****. The point is that if you look at history, your point of view has only kept the poor poor and the rich rich. There is nothing in your meritocratic worldview that has ever uplifted any poor person who was not someone who was an outlier in his social class who would not have risen above their status with or without anyone's help. So what even are you defending? What is it that you want to keep? What is it that you want to discourage? WHAT IS THE ENDGAME OF THE BOTTOM OF THE CLASSES IN YOUR WORLDVIEW?

This is becoming obvious.

Because juxtaposing your situation to his as an example of what working hard with good results is like is an incredibly common way to relay advice to someone.

omg, i'm not defending anything. you attacked me first. and i then attacked your situation. i think poor people are genuinely ****ed in our society and hard work is the most reasonable to answer to trying to fix that. i'm not saying it's ideal i'm saying it's a ****ed up system and that's literally just about all they have if they want even the slightest chance to make progress. i think you should see by now that i've acknowledged it isn't easy and i can understand how their mindset makes it even harder, but i never tried to tie your personal situation into anyone else's. you're a lazy ****, there are plenty of people who aren't but who are way worse off than you. again, that's evidence of this ****ty ****ing system.

except it wasn't just me juxtaposing. i was defending myself after he attacked me for depending on my parents amongst other things. i refuse to accept this argument as anything but you either not paying enough attention or misreading my argument. if you're too stubborn to admit otherwise then so be it, but that's exactly what it was.

So why don't you support whatever you want to call liberal or socialist reforms? Either, or, or both depending on your viewpoint of what liberal and socialist are.

Dude. Here's ten chill pills. I was just telling you what made me disagree with your posts since you asked me to point out what I was talking about. I am aware that you are not offering that as advice anymore because you clarified that. Fuck. Stop arguing with my posts from 3 pages ago.

i don't know how to fix the situation. i don't think any of us really do. socialism reform is a concept but i think history has proven (elph, chill) that socialism isn't a long lasting solution. what do you think?

oh ****, Frownland is finally becoming the man he's fought for so long. welcome to MB Frownland Vista.

and i directly responded to every post you've made so i dunno what the 3 pages back think is in reference to but alright.

You will never become me.

Get some sleep dude your reading comprehension is scoring negative.

insults > actual arguements

really dude, the chula influence is showing.

this boils down to me trying to discuss something with Batlord and you coming in and trying to tell me what I was and wasn't arguing for. if you misread it, cool. if i confused you with my wording, ok. but i've clarified enough between then and now that you really don't have anything to argue with and rather than just admitting that you misunderstood me you're starting to grasp straws here.

Dude I have admitted that. Whenever I try to tell you what led me to misinterpret your posts you argue you against my misinterpretation. Like I said, you. are. not. comprehending. what. I. am. saying.