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Old 10-18-2017, 09:25 PM   #15221 (permalink)
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Disagree. He can win the lottery, start a randomly successful youtube channel, schmooze a rich old lady, etc.



You just think that my point about student loans is irrelevant because you don't want to admit that advising a poor person to commit to long-term debt with mad rates is ****ty advice. Plus, it would be even worse for Batlord since they would base the terms of his loan based on whether or not he has a safety net to fall on like a middle class family. There are far more practical steps that he can take before he embarks on a subprime education. Maybe the companies that provide your student loans don't use the spiked dildo, but in America, they do and they make it spin too.
Not talking to Frown for any reason other than I legit think Coltrane might have made me a better person short term in this discussion. A Love Supreme just felt right, bro. **** you, yeah I'm drunk but it all just felt good.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:26 PM   #15222 (permalink)
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:28 PM   #15223 (permalink)
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i mean in batlord's situation (which is the exact situation we were discussing) he could work hard and save his money, try to move up within the BK ladder, work and attend school part time.

Elphenor is literally doing exactly that atm btw, man has no student loans, pays for school out of pocket by working hard at a ****ty job.

but yes frown, please tell me again how hard it is to pay off student loans, i have no idea about how that works and need to be enlightened.



i know exactly what this has to do with class and i'm quite sure i've explained that multiple times at this point.
I don't think using me as an example of anything makes the slightest amount of sense. I am a freak whose lack of motivation is extreme to the point that it is completely unfair to use me to justify any argument that is not specifically tailored to me. I am all by myself a strawman for the rest of the human race. So please leave me out of any example that would extend to the rest of the human race. And no that is not a joke.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:30 PM   #15224 (permalink)
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i mean in batlord's situation (which is the exact situation we were discussing) he could work hard and save his money, try to move up within the BK ladder, work and attend school part time.

Elphenor is literally doing exactly that atm btw, man has no student loans, pays for school out of pocket by working hard at a ****ty job.

but yes frown, please tell me again how hard it is to pay off student loans, i have no idea about how that works and need to be enlightened.
How could a man who understands that hard work can have positive results need to be enlightened on something? He clearly already knows all.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:33 PM   #15225 (permalink)
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How could a man who understands that hard work can have positive results need to be enlightened on something? He clearly already knows all.
Yeah exactly what I said. I know all this ****. I just don't do it cause I'm a self-destructive lunatic or some ****. I am not representative of my fellow man.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:33 PM   #15226 (permalink)
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I don't think using me as an example of anything makes the slightest amount of sense. I am a freak whose lack of motivation is extreme to the point that it is completely unfair to use me to justify any argument that is not specifically tailored to me. I am all by myself a strawman for the rest of the human race. So please leave me out of any example that would extend to the rest of the human race. And no that is not a joke.
THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING. you guys took what i was saying about your situation and mine, and acted like that's how i felt about every person in the world. what i was saying is that you're a lazy **** and if you got of your ass you could at least make more of yourself than what you are now.

i guess in some weird way i was telling you that you have potential, or some gay **** like that.

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How could a man who understands that hard work can have positive results need to be enlightened on something? He clearly already knows all.
i wonder what it's like to try and argue with somebody without actually trying to read their retorts, must be pretty wild.
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I'm not even mad. Seriously I'm not. You're a good dude, and I think and hope you'll become something good
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:34 PM   #15227 (permalink)
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can you guys point out at the moment where you feel i tried to apply the idea that hard work will automatically fix anyones problem outside of batlord's?

i will retract it if i said it, but i'm pretty ****ing sure i didn't. so either get off my dick, or jerk me while you're there.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:37 PM   #15228 (permalink)
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can you guys point out at the moment where you feel i tried to apply the idea that hard work will automatically fix anyones problem outside of batlord's?

i will retract it if i said it, but i'm pretty ****ing sure i didn't. so either get off my dick, or jerk me while you're there.
You tried to use me as an example of something. What was it? Cause I can assure you it was a poor example of anything but of my poorness.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:39 PM   #15229 (permalink)
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to be fair i was born into a lower middle class family who lived outside of their means and by chance and hard work my father found a good job in his 40s and now my parents are finally in a spot where they aren't living off of credit lines.

but yeah, i'm grateful for what i have, but don't chalk up your working at burger king and living at home as some life is hard bs. you and i both know it's down to your own laziness and general inability to actually commit to something that isn't alcoholism.
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i dunno, maybe because it makes more sense?

if i learned anything from my parents it's that opportunities don't just fall onto your lap, you need to go out there and earn something if you really want it. my father dropped out of high school in grade 9 and worked a dead end job for 20+ years of his life. seeing where he's at and where he could've still been is one of the biggest things that drives me to succeed in life. i fear a life similar to what his was.

also that argument that i'm "dependent" on my parents is pretty weak. since i've started university they have given me all of 0$. i worked at the very least 45 hours a week from April through to September (i'd wager more hours than you work in a calendar year) in order to give me the money I need to buy groceries, pay rent, cell bills, etc. and also owe the government over $20,000 in student loans.

all you have in life is the hand that your dealt, and as cliche'd as it is, it's up to you to either work with it or fold. i prefer to make the most out of it.
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why? this stems from Batlord calling me entitled and acting like my opinion isn't valid because of it. all i'm saying is at the point where i'm at in my life, i have paid for everything either out of pocket or with debt that will follow me for quite a bit of my adult life. both of which are available to Batlord as well. i'm not saying i've had a hard life, but i'm not going to concede that i've had an "easy" life either.

life is what it is. like i said, you get what you get, it's up to you to make the most of it. it's not really surprising that trying to make something of your self yields better results than complaining about it.

btw, i'm not saying this applies everywhere. there are exceptions where life really has stopped you from going anywhere in our society. think single mother of 4, ex-convict, lack of any parental figure, etc. but if batlord is trying to pin his current situation on anything but his own decisions than he's just choosing to be ignorant to the reality of the situation.
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what's not an either/or? making the most out of your life or complaining? i never said it was. but i'm saying i would rather do the former than the latter as it's sure to help you in the long run.



yeah again this is pretty irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. student loans are available for anyone so long as their parents make under a certain threshold of money. and they will **** us all in the ass when we have to start paying them back.
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oh i totally agree with you on that. things can always be worse than they are. but at the end of the day all you can do is try your hardest to work through it if you want to escape. there's no guarantee you will, sure, but that's the sad reality of capitalism. some people are lucky enough to have work ethic beat into you like i was, others need to learn it themselves.

btw the alcohol is making you emotional again, way to go way overboard off of a joke i made.
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Old 10-18-2017, 09:39 PM   #15230 (permalink)
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can you guys point out at the moment where you feel i tried to apply the idea that hard work will automatically fix anyones problem outside of batlord's?
First you have to find where we said you said that it happened automatically.
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