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[Frownland]

Either wait until you have to make good on that debt or try it in America.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Either wait until you have to make good on that debt or try it in America.

why? this stems from Batlord calling me entitled and acting like my opinion isn't valid because of it. all i'm saying is at the point where i'm at in my life, i have paid for everything either out of pocket or with debt that will follow me for quite a bit of my adult life. both of which are available to Batlord as well. i'm not saying i've had a hard life, but i'm not going to concede that i've had an "easy" life either.

life is what it is. like i said, you get what you get, it's up to you to make the most of it. it's not really surprising that trying to make something of your self yields better results than complaining about it.

btw, i'm not saying this applies everywhere. there are exceptions where life really has stopped you from going anywhere in our society. think single mother of 4, ex-convict, lack of any parental figure, etc. but if batlord is trying to pin his current situation on anything but his own decisions than he's just choosing to be ignorant to the reality of the situation.

[Frownland]

It's not an either/or situation.

And I said wait until your loans kick in because I could afford rent and all of my bills when I was in school too.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

i dunno, maybe because it makes more sense?

if i learned anything from my parents it's that opportunities don't just fall onto your lap, you need to go out there and earn something if you really want it. my father dropped out of high school in grade 9 and worked a dead end job for 20+ years of his life. seeing where he's at and where he could've still been is one of the biggest things that drives me to succeed in life. i fear a life similar to what his was.

also that argument that i'm "dependent" on my parents is pretty weak. since i've started university they have given me all of 0$. i worked at the very least 45 hours a week from April through to September (i'd wager more hours than you work in a calendar year) in order to give me the money I need to buy groceries, pay rent, cell bills, etc. and also owe the government over $20,000 in student loans.

all you have in life is the hand that your dealt, and as cliche'd as it is, it's up to you to either work with it or fold. i prefer to make the most out of it.

I really hope that you make it in life and think you will, but don't ever think that your view on life isn't dependent on your parents and the life they've given you. If they've given you a great work ethic then run with that ****, but just remember that you came from a middle class family who probably made it clear that you're also expected to continue what they started. You might be working your ass off, but if you'd come from a poor background you'd probably be taking that same work ethic to be the best poor dude you can be. For all my lack of accomplishment, much of my lack of self-esteem has been entirely due to my failure to live up to my middle-class family. If my family had been poor when I became cognizant then I'd probably be much more satisfied with my poverty, but they weren't and I am not. Don't let where you are now fool you to where you could have been in other circumstances.

I mean if there's one thing that my association with so many lower class individuals has given me it's that perspective is absolutely everything when it comes to your station in life, even with opportunity.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Frownland

It's not an either/or situation.

what's not an either/or? making the most out of your life or complaining? i never said it was. but i'm saying i would rather do the former than the latter as it's sure to help you in the long run.

And I said wait until your loans kick in because I could afford rent and all of my bills when I was in school too.

yeah again this is pretty irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. student loans are available for anyone so long as their parents make under a certain threshold of money. and they will **** us all in the ass when we have to start paying them back.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I really hope that you make it in life and think you will, but don't ever think that your view on life isn't dependent on your parents and the life they've given you. If they've given you a great work ethic then run with that ****, but just remember that you came from a middle class family who probably made it clear that you're also expected to continue what they started. You might be working your ass off, but if you'd come from a poor background you'd probably be taking that same work ethic to be the best poor dude you can be. For all my lack of accomplishment, much of my lack of self-esteem has been entirely due to my failure to live up to my middle-class family. If my family had been poor when I became cognizant then I'd probably be much more satisfied with my poverty, but they weren't and I am not. Don't let where you are now fool you to where you could have been in other circumstances.

oh i totally agree with you on that. things can always be worse than they are. but at the end of the day all you can do is try your hardest to work through it if you want to escape. there's no guarantee you will, sure, but that's the sad reality of capitalism. some people are lucky enough to have work ethic beat into you like i was, others need to learn it themselves.

btw the alcohol is making you emotional again, way to go way overboard off of a joke i made.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

what's not an either/or? making the most out of your life or complaining? i never said it was. but i'm saying i would rather do the former than the latter as it's sure to help you in the long run.

You sure didn't say that it was. I meant that you were posing Batlord's income as either being created by his environment or by his laziness when it's clearly both that are at play.

yeah again this is pretty irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. student loans are available for anyone so long as their parents make under a certain threshold of money. and they will **** us all in the ass when we have to start paying them back.

It's totally relevant because this great solution to all of my problems that I had to work hard for isn't paying off when I can't support myself despite working 60 hours a week.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Frownland

You sure didn't say that it was. I meant that you were posing Batlord's income as either being created by his environment or by his laziness when it's clearly both that are at play.

yes but his environment isn't going to fix his problems for him, that's on his own shoulders. you can't control your environment, you can control your own actions. this is like the 3rd or 4th time i've said this.

It's totally relevant because this great solution to all of my problems that I had to work hard for isn't paying off when I can't support myself despite working 60 hours a week.

yeah i still don't understand where you're going with this. i brought up student loans as evidence that i'm not any more dependent on my parents than batlord is. sorry you can't repay your student loans, i'm safe to say you aren't in the minority on that one either. i never said hard work will instantly fix all of your problems and you'll live happily ever after. i said all you can do to try and improve your situation is work your hardest. whether or not it works isn't my point, you can take that one up with Goofle or some other capitalist.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

but yeah, i'm grateful for what i have, but don't chalk up your working at burger king and living at home as some life is hard bs. you and i both know it's down to your own laziness and general inability to actually commit to something that isn't alcoholism.

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[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

oh i totally agree with you on that. things can always be worse than they are. but at the end of the day all you can do is try your hardest to work through it if you want to escape. there's no guarantee you will, sure, but that's the sad reality of capitalism. some people are lucky enough to have work ethic beat into you like i was, others need to learn it themselves.

btw the alcohol is making you emotional again, way to go way overboard off of a joke i made.

I mean yeah, I'm emotional, but what I'm telling you is true. If your family had been poor, and you'd been raised as poor, you would not have the same perspective you have now, and all the drive you have now would likely not have put you where you are now. Much of class is built on the expectations of those who built your life and the social inertia that you feel. Do you think that you'd be working as hard to build a middle class life for yourself if you didn't have middle class people building in you the desire to continue to be a middle class person? I'm definitely an outlier to be honest as far as the middle class are concerned, as I've put myself down into the lower classes, but do you really think ALL of those people in the lower class with me are as lazy and ineffectual as I am? They would have killed for my opportunities, and would almost certainly have done far more with them, but they didn't have them, didn't have those driving factors for putting them into a middle class mindset, didn't have my mother grandparentsunclesaunts all berating them constantly to make middle class persons of themselves like they did, and so didn't rise from it. And that's not even considering all of those other economic factors that keep the lower classes in the lower classes. But you are certainly not more special than all those people I know who work two jobs and don't realistically consider that they could maybe have tried for a four year degree that they couldn't even have afforded without a full ride or working those same hours that their parents did just to survive as they saw their entire lives. Or do you actually think you are more special?

I'm not even mad. Seriously I'm not. You're a good dude, and I think and hope you'll become something good, but you have a very shortsighted view of the world and I think you'll only better the rest of the world if you as a middle class dude open your mind to a non-middle class world. For all the garbage I've heaped upon myself that is one thing that has done me some good, as I used to think like you do and now I realize just how limited my mindset was.