Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885484)

i mean in batlord's situation (which is the exact situation we were discussing) he could work hard and save his money, try to move up within the BK ladder, work and attend school part time.

Elphenor is literally doing exactly that atm btw, man has no student loans, pays for school out of pocket by working hard at a ****ty job.

but yes frown, please tell me again how hard it is to pay off student loans, i have no idea about how that works and need to be enlightened.



i know exactly what this has to do with class and i'm quite sure i've explained that multiple times at this point.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885484)

i mean in batlord's situation (which is the exact situation we were discussing) he could work hard and save his money, try to move up within the BK ladder, work and attend school part time.

Elphenor is literally doing exactly that atm btw, man has no student loans, pays for school out of pocket by working hard at a ****ty job.

but yes frown, please tell me again how hard it is to pay off student loans, i have no idea about how that works and need to be enlightened.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1885489)

How could a man who understands that hard work can have positive results need to be enlightened on something? He clearly already knows all.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1885488)

I don't think using me as an example of anything makes the slightest amount of sense. I am a freak whose lack of motivation is extreme to the point that it is completely unfair to use me to justify any argument that is not specifically tailored to me. I am all by myself a strawman for the rest of the human race. So please leave me out of any example that would extend to the rest of the human race. And no that is not a joke.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1885489)

How could a man who understands that hard work can have positive results need to be enlightened on something? He clearly already knows all.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885495)

can you guys point out at the moment where you feel i tried to apply the idea that hard work will automatically fix anyones problem outside of batlord's?

i will retract it if i said it, but i'm pretty ****ing sure i didn't. so either get off my dick, or jerk me while you're there.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885430)

i would say the same to you but i think we both know you've rock bottomed years ago

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885441)

to be fair i was born into a lower middle class family who lived outside of their means and by chance and hard work my father found a good job in his 40s and now my parents are finally in a spot where they aren't living off of credit lines.

but yeah, i'm grateful for what i have, but don't chalk up your working at burger king and living at home as some life is hard bs. you and i both know it's down to your own laziness and general inability to actually commit to something that isn't alcoholism.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885455)

i dunno, maybe because it makes more sense?

if i learned anything from my parents it's that opportunities don't just fall onto your lap, you need to go out there and earn something if you really want it. my father dropped out of high school in grade 9 and worked a dead end job for 20+ years of his life. seeing where he's at and where he could've still been is one of the biggest things that drives me to succeed in life. i fear a life similar to what his was.

also that argument that i'm "dependent" on my parents is pretty weak. since i've started university they have given me all of 0$. i worked at the very least 45 hours a week from April through to September (i'd wager more hours than you work in a calendar year) in order to give me the money I need to buy groceries, pay rent, cell bills, etc. and also owe the government over $20,000 in student loans.

all you have in life is the hand that your dealt, and as cliche'd as it is, it's up to you to either work with it or fold. i prefer to make the most out of it.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885460)

why? this stems from Batlord calling me entitled and acting like my opinion isn't valid because of it. all i'm saying is at the point where i'm at in my life, i have paid for everything either out of pocket or with debt that will follow me for quite a bit of my adult life. both of which are available to Batlord as well. i'm not saying i've had a hard life, but i'm not going to concede that i've had an "easy" life either.

life is what it is. like i said, you get what you get, it's up to you to make the most of it. it's not really surprising that trying to make something of your self yields better results than complaining about it.

btw, i'm not saying this applies everywhere. there are exceptions where life really has stopped you from going anywhere in our society. think single mother of 4, ex-convict, lack of any parental figure, etc. but if batlord is trying to pin his current situation on anything but his own decisions than he's just choosing to be ignorant to the reality of the situation.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885463)

what's not an either/or? making the most out of your life or complaining? i never said it was. but i'm saying i would rather do the former than the latter as it's sure to help you in the long run.



yeah again this is pretty irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. student loans are available for anyone so long as their parents make under a certain threshold of money. and they will **** us all in the ass when we have to start paying them back.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885465)

oh i totally agree with you on that. things can always be worse than they are. but at the end of the day all you can do is try your hardest to work through it if you want to escape. there's no guarantee you will, sure, but that's the sad reality of capitalism. some people are lucky enough to have work ethic beat into you like i was, others need to learn it themselves.

btw the alcohol is making you emotional again, way to go way overboard off of a joke i made.

Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1885495)

can you guys point out at the moment where you feel i tried to apply the idea that hard work will automatically fix anyones problem outside of batlord's?

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1885499)

First you have to find where we said you said that it happened automatically.