oh and btw im sigging this so that every time you're sober you'll feel embarrassed

I don't think you've really understood this. If you don't think you're better than all those lower class individuals who have been seriously busting their ass to make it in life, to make their children's' lives better, and who have been doing everything they can to not starve to death, why are you in college and they are not? It really is as simple as that.

I'm not going to feel embarrassed. This is how I really feel and even if I'm drunk (**** off) this is still true ****. This is not me going off on Frown or Elph cause I'm bored or mad or whatever the ****. I ****ing like you and **** and eat my ****. You can be something good in life, but I just hope you get over libertarianism, and I honestly think you will. It's a limiting mindset as I have very much learned.

Maybe it's the Coltrane but I feel good about this post. Shut up, Frown.

because life's a bitch and there's no such thing as fair in the world that we live in. i said nothing that should lead you to believe that i think otherwise. money = opportunity and power, no doubt. but money comes and goes as well. sometimes all you can do is make the most of a ****ty situation.

Disagree. He can win the lottery, start a randomly successful youtube channel, schmooze a rich old lady, etc.

You just think that my point about student loans is irrelevant because you don't want to admit that advising a poor person to commit to long-term debt with mad rates is ****ty advice. Plus, it would be even worse for Batlord since they would base the terms of his loan based on whether or not he has a safety net to fall on like a middle class family. There are far more practical steps that he can take before he embarks on a subprime education. Maybe the companies that provide your student loans don't use the spiked dildo, but in America, they do and they make it spin too.

Now all you have to do is realize what all this has to do with class and how it does not equate to how not doing well in life necessarily means that you don't deserve to have done well in life and to apply this to your actual mindset. Clearly you're not one of those libertarian retards who will bend their opinions to suit their capitalist boner no matter what, but you just need a little more context in the real world I suppose.

And so I have successfully deflected this away from my own laziness. Wasn't that how this all started? If not then disregard this and consider how you are a bad person.

Oh **** as a highschool dropout I didn't even know that student loan rates are dependent on your family's income. Is that real **** with a link? Apparently I was seriously ignorant. That's some horrific ****.

oh and i've discussed this with frown before when we're talking about the constitution or some ****. i don't really consider myself to be much of a libertarian, i just clung to the party during the last election cycle because it was a more sensible option than any of the others.

there is no political solution that i see to the problems we're discussing. capitalism means the less money you have the harder you're screwed, in another situation it would just be some other metric that decides it as well. is IQ a better metric? penis size? attractiveness? no, because there will always, always, always be people born **** out of luck. but going back to my original point that started this all, at the end of the day, regardless of anything, in North America right now, hard work is the most viable option to improve your life.

please don't take me as saying that hard work will fix everything and that some people aren't way past the point of being able to control their situation because i've already clarified this 5 or 6 times now.

i mean in batlord's situation (which is the exact situation we were discussing) he could work hard and save his money, try to move up within the BK ladder, work and attend school part time.

Elphenor is literally doing exactly that atm btw, man has no student loans, pays for school out of pocket by working hard at a ****ty job.

but yes frown, please tell me again how hard it is to pay off student loans, i have no idea about how that works and need to be enlightened.

i know exactly what this has to do with class and i'm quite sure i've explained that multiple times at this point.

Not talking to Frown for any reason other than I legit think Coltrane might have made me a better person short term in this discussion. A Love Supreme just felt right, bro. **** you, yeah I'm drunk but it all just felt good.